Special Interview with Rabbi Itzhak Shapira

Special Interview with Rabbi Itzhak Shapira

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[Music] and many people shall come and say come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord to the house of the God of Jacob that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths for out of Zion shall go forth the Torah and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem these are the words of Isaiah the prophet Zion is the name of the kingdom of God that is coming to
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earth our program is about how that kingdom is being built right here in Israel all the followers of Yeshua have been tasked with building this kingdom brick by brick stone by stone person by person wherever we live the faith chapter in the book of Hebrews explains that our fathers were looking forward to the appearance of a city which has foundations whose architect and builder
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is God what city is this it is Jerusalem the city of our eternal citizenship and the place from where Messiah Yeshua will rule and reign in his absence and before he returns our king is waiting for the completion of the mission he gave us in John 17 Yeshua prayed earnestly for something that is a critical part of our mission unity we are to build his kingdom
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together this program is designed to provide you with a personal connection to the Israeli believers here in the land the Gentiles have a unique role to play as do the Jews and each role is vital to the return of our King revelation of the nations is going to help you understand exactly what your role is Shalom friends and welcome to another episode of revelation to the nation's
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where we are raising up Zion the or all the nations of the world today is a different kind of program today we have a very special guest and we are very privileged to have this gentleman here with us today you may have heard of him in fact I'm sure many of you have his name is rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro he's the author of an incredibly popular book which is taking people by storm throughout the body
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it's called return of the kosher Pig don't get crazy just because you heard the name you have to read the book to understand what the name means but he is here with us today in Israel and we are honoured and privileged to have rabbi itzhak Shapira as our guest welcome Shalom Shalom Shalom Daniel Salam for it's great to be here with you great to have you thank you we've been wanting to do this for a very loyal I am excited we are too you don't
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know how how crazy this man's schedule is okay it doesn't matter doesn't matter where he's here we're here and so this is a rare privilege for you and today the program is going to run a little bit longer than normal for two reasons one because we have so much to talk about to take advantage of the rabbi's precious time and two because in these Synod Israeli and he doesn't answer questions in two words he'll take ten minutes to
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tell you what time it is okay so this is one of the reasons why the program is going to be a little bit longer today please bear with us you will not be disappointed rabbi tell us you're Jewish you were born in Israel tell us about your journey to faith wow that's we can take the entire program just to talk about that but I will told you exactly exactly I will try to make it brief I was raised in a Jewish obviously in a
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Jewish home in a mix or mixed home of a Holocaust survivors and Sephardic home was raised in a very very traditional home not in a secular not in secular judaism with it all I would consider normative normative Judaism you know synagogue definitely you know in my family the lineage of my families have rabbis or rabbis in the family so it's it's been
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for me quite the journey because I didn't know anything about Christianity definitely not about Yeshua I will refer to him as Yeshua know Jesus and we'll talk about that later but Hebrew names I didn't know nothing about Jesus or issue okay blow and be all the true circumstances in my life I got to the u.s. in later later time in I was already in my teen late teen years and a
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book was dropping my laps by some of your authors probably don't know the audience would not know this name but his name was he feels released in time who was a Jewish Jewish rabbi you who believe that Yeshua the Messiah it was interesting it was interesting what the book has said you know and it started the journey in essence I tell you something it started the journey for me to seek the truth about the machine okay
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mostly out of the desire to know the truth this journey took me 20 plus years Wow you know so when you talk about the return of the kosher pickle a bit ago that was the kind of the recap you know the book of Deuteronomy is Moses diary notes well the return of appreciate kosher Pig is my diary personal diary notes and the second I find out the truth and I come to the recognition of
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the truth and my sage was a painful truth there's not that that go back that I don't say I wish I wish that this sure wasn't what the Messiah I actually say it to my I wish he wasn't I wish he wasn't because life would be so much simpler so much easier I've been successful in the world doing uh you know I had my master's degree running a very successful business in the middle of all of this thing this magnificent Jew showed up and changed my
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life upside down and I dropped everything it's like when Shao lei received the truth he got up and change the course of his life I had exactly same experience and from that point forward there is the life I would call it the before life and after life and this life look quite a bit different to the point I don't even recall you know they said to you this after you
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have children you don't remember what it's like before you had that's right that's called the way I feel my life before your shoe and after Yeshua our extensively different and you know now though it's the funny thing I'll say well Elijah even my upbringing in in the traditional Judaism in it and things I learned and and all the years of learning now I understand for what purpose it was sometimes we don't see the purpose in things until much much
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later but now I understand this purpose so this is in a nutshell a little bit about how you were being prepared all the while of course you had no idea at the time that you were being prepared until Yeshua revealed inspiration you know it's interesting people access and we said well you're due to the Lord in a way you know I've been but people need to understand something every Jewish person in the world have what's called hush Kokoschka there is a SH gossip for at eat in oshkosh ah over all of his
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girlish kathai supervision I can even see that although I didn't know anything about Yeshua there was a scar upon my life that God was overseeing and supervising my life even before my bar mitzvah I can tell you stories but things that happened to me that I can look now and I said okay now I understand it understand why this happened you understand it was a eight years old in pooling why I saw a cross and I ran when I saw a cross I understand why in my bar
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mitzva I had to think about that with a Mellish and ask the question what is after do with the machine I understand those things but they understand the complex 25 years later yes later you don't think about those things during this time so see I can't say on four minutes no problem and by the way his full testimony you can find on Ahava tommy org and there's a video that's rabbi Shapiro from yes you too you shoot
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right yeah so you can find his full story on his website and I said this story from Yeshua Yeshua is it's a painful story and I think every Jew can can relate to that I encourage you to listen to this thing in there and so forth when I discovered his name is Yeshua you know life change and then upside down amen for those of you who are not familiar with certain terminology when the rabbi was speaking earlier he quickly mentioned show show
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for most of you Christians is Paul whose name by the way did not get changed in acts 9 read the whole chapter you'll see it didn't get changed but when the rabbi mentioned yes you this is the typical name which Jews who have yet to understand and accept who their Jewish Messiah is this is the term that they typically use to describe him and it's horrible and it literally means may his name be blotted out forever so when he
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talks about a journey from yeshu to yeshua he's talking about quite a theological and spiritual journey much more than grandma going through the woods [Music] indeed so honey I want to talk about how your ministry is Ahava Tommy gorg and how did you start this ministry it's very very simple I tell you it's quite simple when
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I was sure that he sure is the Messiah was the first place ago I was in no contact with Gentiles Christians have no desire to really to work in this world I'm a Jew you know an Israeli so the first place I went to is the synagogue I went to the synagogue I got up and I said I have a big announcement yes ask
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what's definite I said there's the big announcement I found a messiah I mean this is like the week a week after Wow you said this in front of the old tired so I got up and just give them the full the full thing I said we'll give you 90 seconds to get out Wow and never to return and of course then start a series of phone calls to my family too you know it spread like fire plus yourself to
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understand my family upbringing it's very difficult especially for the Sephardic Jews to recognize accept something like anything that's move away from Judaism yeah Sephardic used by the way our Middle Eastern for the most part Ashkenazic Jews are mostly European that's right that's right so then I started to ask the question in my mind why was the reaction so hard what makes it so difficult and there are
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several reason for that it's not people make a mistake they think that they shoes to your logical theological of course is an issue it's a big issue but I think that there is a bigger issue that their Judaism has an open wound or open sore with Christian if you think about it Daniel we had the program we had the Inquisition we are the crusades people is been trying to kill us 2,000 years in the name of Jesus so now
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you come the Shoah and now you're going to come and tell them oh no no no you made a mistake when your father father father father was rather died and accepted a its antithesis to this right so I start to ask my question the question of what's the issue and I realized the issue is is much more than a theological issue so but but I also recognize that any people understand that anybody can call call Yeshua King
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and I think everybody watch the program will will agree did that issue is the king but something interesting about king a king has to be going through a process in Hebrew called ham laka somebody have to anoint him as king lammle hotter right and it's interesting if you look at the scriptures we see David Malan Israel David is king of Israel hive acarya was the one who anointed David's King God did but not
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only God the people did as well any process of King that have a kingdom has to do with the people there has to be a move from the people not just from from heavenly from Xiamen but also from Earth okay and if issue is really king okay king of all the earth and remember it says he's the King of the Jews it's mean that there have to be an action inside Israel to make him the King of the Jews because if he's not the
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King of the Jews he is not the king of of the Gentile so what army was built on this premise that we have to take an action of restoring the kingdom to him you know in it says the entire ministries based on this verse in Deuteronomy chapter 30 the last days of Moses he says that I will bring you back from the end of the world it's actually used this
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terminabro nutrients from the end of the world I will bring you back people think that he's talking about alia bring to the land obviously that is important part Ali as important part but it is not just speaking of what alia it's talking about remember you know think about this more than even it's a net that it's talking about if somebody this the world hahahaah what you mean to fire if you firing somebody from a job God says I'm gonna fire you from a job but it's a temporary thing your place is always will be restored
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and well I see a lot of me around me is people forgotten about the Jewish people and and their calling so ice began this this ministry that of course took a turn with other things but back there he started with just reconciling this open wound and closing the open wound I said look Daniel two thousand years ago everybody was Jewish there was not even question even if you can be a Jew and
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believe in Yeshua no no question actually the question for example in acts 15 can you be gentle battling so so I scratch my head and I start to ask a question what happened in the last two thousand years what has taken place that is so wrong and I I realize that even those who claim to believe in the Messiah they don't really representing the Machine Messianic fate you know the way it is it is supposed to
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be not in the way I read you know I remember the first time I read the book of fact like wow this guy's a good Jewish and then I got good Jewish boys and I got the book of Acts 21 it says how many thousand Jews believe and they're all so much for the Torah and I said oh whoa what's going on in those does Christians have nothing to do with the Torah I tell you I will not forget this one last story for your audience I think there will be interested in it remember that the rabbi in our local community could not believe that I am a
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follower and Messiah Yeshua so invited me any system II prove you're Jewish I said wait a second there's only one way to prove you so he said okay let prove you're real juice put them at the feeling I put on at the guys wow this is great you know and he says so why you believe I said let's read Matthew so I sit in his office I will not forget this we read in one afternoon from Matthew
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chapter one together and I will not forget the reaction when we get to Matthew chapter 5:17 well that reaction by the rabbi was priceless she was south-american Ginty I won't give his name but I will not forget it he go aha I will not forget he took his face like this he says what Bible is this I said this is the British he says no that's not the same Bible of
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the Christians we already this is what was he says to that to keep every jot and tittle in the Torah he's a Maximian what we were calling it is a mommy he says why is there Messianics and the Christians not follow this because I says for them is not the rabbi it's just a Lord and Savior is another chief rabbi you know and I won't forget this that's when he done he says I don't see
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any fault in your faith and he keeps me an army and we remain good friends that's where I realized you know we say me bru the little I Simona fell dead of thing went down the head that we have to rectify and restore the name of Fisher so you know what you know you want to know whatever to me is it no one in a nutshell bring back honor and restoration for the name of Yeshua
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because this name is completely lost and gone from Israel today and who is it going to tell like to do it it's it's humoristic it's going to select a bunch of Gentiles who know nothing Judaism to restore the honor because they want to come in and be partakers of this governance so God have a funny sense of humor the way it worked so we started this kind of a bottom II like that and then it's go to affecting we're we're f presence you know in hundred and
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eighty countries now it's amazing you know it's because it's prophetic so that's really the vision why we started out about a man and and God has been really doing a lot through that's that's fabulous that's fabulous well tell us that's a good segue and Jeannie you have a multi-faceted ministry and that we highly encourage you to go to the website go to Ahava tommy dot org which means by the way for the love of my people and check check
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out the website you'll find a lot of great information there but let's switch gears because we're hearing is exactly and you are really you've been a great supporter of our ministry and tell us what you particularly are trying to do in israel to restore the name of yeshua and we've got a some other great that are going on that's a great question first of all let me correct the question not trying we're not trying to do
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anything we're doing it that is generally weird by trying we're already doing so so the questions become kind of come coming back to Yeshua's name I have to be restored here in Zion he has to be king of Zion because the scripture says out of Zion shall come from the Torah and the word of the Lord in Jerusalem in in essence if the revival is not happening in Zion I'm happy it's happened in Africa I'm happy it's happened in Asia and in South America
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but Zion is the heart of the the the springing out of this revival it has to be so what is this revival look like okay I ask myself this question and I'll come back again to this chapter of Acts 21 what it says that the thousands Jewish people will come to know the Lord yeah thousands you're right some translated the stairs of thousands but I will be even generous let's say thousand but I I agree with you in this case it
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it's tens of thousands but let's see it's a thousand seven thousand they they love the Messiah and they love the Torah that's in there very very heart of what we're doing we we bring a tikkun and I'm gonna be a little bit controversial here and tell you my opinion not as a stranger as an Israeli who although you know you know we work in other places in the world but I mean Israeli I can tell you that most people listen what he's
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saying he's gonna tell you its opinion whether you want to hear it or not most Israelis when they come we have a little bit they're not even we have to be Auto books but a little bit of tradition if they come to a messianic synagogue they will feel strange they will feel this is not Jewish I've heard I can tell you that even yesterday I have met with somebody a harmonious secular completely he wants
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to believe in Yeshua he met with me yesterday but he says listen I felt I felt icky nice inside like I'm doing something bad and I cannot explain it and I'm not coming here to say everything the body of Messiah is rose better Hospital god forbid okay there's a lot of good things but this kun is because we as Messianic have to have something that comes unites with all of Israel okay we are Jewish but we can say we're just Jewish by name we we have to
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be motorists just because we speak Hebrew that does not does not mean that yet we're part of Israel what make us part of Israel is the tour okay it's the Tauri it's the glue that all off Israel is the glue that held us together for thousands of year is this love letter and people need to understand those who watch it Torah is not law Torah is to tract or two parent okay so there is a glue that hold us together as juice so
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what part of the stick kun to answer your question is to bring forward to remove I I know it's gonna sound bad but this exactly to remove the Christians and other foreign influences from the body of Messiah so that we will be like Yaakov James like Peter you know like Paul like those believers we establish authentic Messianic movements so like for example we brought we had a history there was a
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big historical moment here in Israel it's actually happen here in Haifa the very first Ethiopian messianic community received a Torah okay and there was so much joy and excitement other leaders came and then immediately we did a revival event in yerushalaim the very first messianic community that is it European that that received a new Russia line the very first Russian one will receive it in February you know so it's
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it's to me it's more than just coming at preaching say come on let's get where Jews Yeshua was a Jew let's practice our faith in Judea in Judaism true Judaism not away from Judaism so that's that's one of the project we did several also humanitarian quite a few humanitarian our projects but I think this repair before we go to Israel to the Jewish people I really sense in my spirit that
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the repair have to curse inside about it was sign okay we need to really rebuild the infrastructure somebody wrote me something that really grieved my spirit you know we put the video of the takuna of bringing that the Torah to Haifa and the joy and I asked me what am i doing it he said because I want to say I want to bring a tikkun to see at the Kuna in the body of Messiah and several people respond and say the body of Messiah is
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not needed it's perfect I think that's a mistake to think that it's perfect we are far far from perfect and we're very very far from the book of facts that's our model that's our blueprint and we need to get back there quickly so you know it's it's it's not just aura I'm gonna be controversial and I'm going to tell you something you might not like it but there is a many organizations and God got for me I'm not going to name them by name that make things that look very
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nice and very pretty and they they go to Christians and we proclaim the Gospel okay but another thing which issue are the bringing that our people to the Jewish Messiah or some Christian Christianity there is a lot of support dollars that are coming to Israel from a Christian organization say okay you take a million dollars Daniel but adopt my Christian theology okay and I'm telling
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you something the Jewish people are not stupid and they are not done they're the smartest people in the world we need to cut our self work with our donations from a perspective of their brother they want to learn they need to grow and they want to it's prophetic what's happened right now but not to submit ourselves look to put ourselves under Christian Christian theological influences because Israel will never never received it in the last 1000 years and will never
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receive it going forward listen your point is an excellent point and for those of you are familiar with the New Testament James 4:4 says if you choose to be a friend of the world you're choosing to be an enemy of God okay and what our friend rabbi Shapiro is talking about is the significance the importance than the Sesa T of the Jewish people to understand who they are in God's eyes what role they play in God's prophetic
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plan and why the which he's talking about which is a term that means repair okay why it's so critical for the Jewish body to restore itself and be whole and understand who they are in God's plan before they're in a position to be a light to the nation's how can the Jewish people be a light to the nation's if the body itself is in this unity so this is what the rabbi is talking about and it
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may be a little challenging for some Christians and we don't mean for it to be but it's important to understand Jesus whose real name is Yeshua was born raised live taught died rose and will return as a Jew it's not to say that there's anything wrong with being a Christian but it's important to understand that being a true Christian is understanding the meaning of Romans
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11 and being grafted in to the true vine of David all the way back to Abraham and then you are an equal share and partaker in the body of Messiah in the family and Commonwealth of Israel so this is what our good friend the rabbi is referring to ya know the issue is really I want to make it put it in a context role there that your viewers the context is something inside the family the Jewish people are unique they're even unique
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calling and God says in Deuteronomy chapter 12 verse 5 he said something interesting says I chose the mountain I chose a place and I chose the time okay in essence if we pervert any of those things and we make it look something else you know what it is it's really a replacement theology that's because instead of sending people to the right place the right authentic Messianic faith we're sending people to other faiths you know we and it's it's it's grieves me that you're in Zion people
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forget that they are part of Israel they think that they are quote unquote part of the church but you know I want to tell you ask me what we launched this ministry or a little while ago when you sure come down from heaven in acts one the disciple look at him and there a very interesting question they asked him if you come to restore the kingdom to Israel well guess what here we're 2,000 years later the kingdom has yet to be restored to Israel the question in every believer Jew or
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Gentile alike has to be was asking himself why Yeshua is yet to return why it is because we built for the last 2,000 years a kingdom but not the kingdom for this particular King so we need to establish the kingdom of God here on earth so the kingdom of God whatever will come properly and that's part of a takuna so now God is raising this Messianic Jewish movement in the midst of all this critical it's pivotal between the Jewish world and the gentle
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we have a big responsibility not to steal the Gentiles away to welcome them lettuce is a ram of in welcome the Millar game the angels we have to welcome them but at the same times we also have to welcome the Jewish people to a place that is familiar to them okay it cannot be something different so this is this is why we establish this ministry and it is hard work and it is involved much you know a a I think our
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takes but we as a Jewish messianic Jewish movement must grow up and raise up to the challenge how can you know where you're going and what your prophetic role is if you don't know who you are that's it it's a question of identity exactly friends we're going to take a break and we'll be back with rabbi itzhak Shapiro right after this we hope you are enjoying our broadcast of revelation of the nation's we believe the time has come for the indigenous Israeli believers to have a dedicated
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voice to the outside world we will be regularly interviewing different messianic leaders of ministries and congregations including the small ones that have little or no exposure this way you can get a personal look at the wonderful things happening here in Israel this program is the first of its kind and as you can imagine taking on such an endeavor does acquire some resources let's think back to the days of the Apostles for just a
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moment rabbi Scholl or Paul went on several kingdom building missions from Israel to bring the gospel to the Gentile world and everywhere he went his first priority was always to ask for a donation to bring back to the Jewish believers his message to the non-jewish followers of Messiah was to always remember their Jewish brothers in Israel shall all often said to the Jew first I
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build the kingdom together please visit our website bless Israel network.com where you will find instructions about how you can partner with us and contribute to this groundbreaking program designed to bless your brethren in the land and now back to our guest welcome back to today's program with rabbi itzhak Shapira and we're just going to continue with our discussion and we want to talk about this is
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controversial and we just ask you to listen what is the big of the biggest disconnect between Christianity and Messianic Judaism okay this is actually a very good question I'll answer it to you from the Torah there is a commandment in the Torah it's called the Mitzvahed Cholewa Hashem and the Torah says that if you
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see a nest and I see a badness and you see eggs innit you are to send the the mother away and take the eggs it's an barbaric you know it sounds a terrible thing to do why is it that the Torah command us to do this the Torah says that if you take the eggs right the mother will go crazy right do everything try to find the eggs right if you take the babies away from the mother you know
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it is a metaphor for us and God that's what the Jewish understanding is it says in parish atoz no day at the end of Deuteronomy that God is like a sewing giggle is looking down at us why is he looking down at us because it is our actions that is determining actually when he will appear you want to know the foundational difference the foundational
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Christianity in Judaism Christianity believed that he's gonna come in the set times there's nothing we can do to hastin is coming or to slow down it's coming it's set down in a point in time Judah isn't belief that this is our actions it is at all what we do today the determine how quickly he will come and a matter of fact Peter says in 2nd in 2nd Peter chapter 3 he says through
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the life of kedusha and Hasid dude okay and said 'ok you know which historic true torah troops are practicing torah we can actually Peter says we can a staining the day of the Lord so that's that's what say the biggest obstacle in the mindset there the Gila will come either way okay it will come but I did that we can actually speed up the Gila so this now opening the door for something even
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bigger Judaism believe that the hacia they did the deed is the essence of the Emunah Christianity believed that it is the Emunah it's the fact that they both have this the right points to them in SS modulation through the OCR you gain the Emunah through doing you find your faith okay so so Judaism is definitely it's much more geared toward it now CIN people ask
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me where is your showing this definitely yeshua is much more than see as the famous sermon the sermon of the mount it says let your light shine before men that they will see your good meets vote what and that will praise your heavenly Father in heaven it's about their CNY because they are CIS hastening and bringing the Killa closer that is a Hasidic Judaism is based on this promise
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the New Testament is very Hasidic it's because it's a Jewish book exactly that's why would the the point of Peter here is so important right so what he's talking about here's deeds and faith yeah yeah so so I would say the one thing the vehicle that is given Israel it's called the Torah now 2,000 years later if she was still have not come why because we are living in a tour or less
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the follower of Yeshua dollar less than without Noah we don't keep the Torah today so we mean in Matthew 5:17 when he says dude I think I came to abolish I did not come to abolish you mean he actually didn't come to abolish did that come to abolish now we have to be careful of Matthew 5:17 because if you read it in my context he's talking to Jewish people there yeah and we have to be careful always see who is he talking to okay but look we're in Zion right now the Messianic Jews have a
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amazing unique role and this role is to spread the light of Torah which is the light of mushiya to the world it's promised us in Zechariah chapter 8 verse 23 it says Seoul says the Lord the Lord of Hosts the Lord of armies of the nights about in those name by omim I am and that's in the days of mushiya it says ten Gentiles will hold the kunafa issue today what is this this man this
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is what I'm wearing that's it they will hold it well think about it does it say they hold it they say yeah Hezekiah's Eko come from the Americas ah the ogor hold it in power and in strength so there are two parts to this hastening the Gila somebody have to hold it and somebody need to extend it here's the problem today we have nobody to extend it to even the nations out of Zion because nobody even care about the midst but in Zion among the Messianic and I
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know I'm talking with a breath broad paintbrush forgive me this is not the intention but for the most part messianic believers even in the land we have a big problem they don't want the life of Torah they don't want a life of mitzvot 'the believe you should make us free from all of those things okay so you right you should make me free then i free and I choose freely to follow that follow is Torah you know so that that's the point let me ask you a follow-up
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question but before because I have another question I want to ask you but you talk about Torah explain to our to our viewers when it comes to Torah you have Jews you have Gentiles yes in your opinion what is the obligation if you will as far as obedience to Torah is concerned and the difference between Jews and Gentiles okay and I give you the fact I tell you what the scripture says any person who is
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circumcised on the a day he's hopefully get it to the Torah this is not an opinion you from all the way from Matthew I'm just talking with her I'm not even talking about the Torah from Matthew all the way to the letters of show you know we make it there anybody who is circumcised on the eighth day he is obligated to the Torah and of Stolley now he's a believer a Jewish believer who is obligated to Torah he's justified under the talk and now when
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Paul says there is no Jew and there's no Gentile people take it another out of context Showell is talking or Paul is speaking about the fact that the justification for Ossus is coming through machine to the Messiah but in terms of obligation every Jew circumcised a day is is is obligated by covenant even though there's a Sinai covenant Avraham Avinu
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in genesis 26:5 God so Hashem says he obeyed all my towboat of course of so of course of course because God was teaching him people need to understand overly you have a hold instruction that was given to him otherwise how didn't you have to do circumcision and how come we know how to do circumcision today it says to do it in the lalala we don't know yet Allah it says all of the lips or love thee of the
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ears or how did he know what it was that the Lord instructed him and he understood it okay so look we as Jews have to live with Jews okay the differences is not a massive the difference today for us and psionic Jews is in our process of justification where justify to Moshe now let let's flip to the Gentiles they Gentiles they are not obligated to the letter of the Torah
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like Jews end of story they are not however it says they were Zulema this is the ones there in aliens in Ephesians from the covenants in plural why didn't say covenant what it is a covenant in plural because the Gentiles now are blue toad after huh he's talking about Abrahamic in the mosaic in the division all the covenants they are welcome and we should encourage them to do those but never to
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put them under disposes of of forcing them to do the mitzvahs because they are not under debt but I will say to the Gentiles this is what I tell them do you want issuer to come oh they say yes Cinco go do mitzvahs in the name of fish um it's racism it's mine if you didn't meet slavery if you fulfill it true issue 'true really issue then you're building the kingdom of God so do them do them but don't but but do them
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and while you do don't lose the machine you see the problem is and that's a different program but the problem is when Gentiles start to do it as a basis for justification now that's why the entire book of Galatians was given Paul does not say don't observe Torah he says don't justify yourself on the basis of Torah you see the difference so so listen but we are in Zion our hands are full you talk about gentle we have a problem with Jews who don't want to do
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anything with the Torah you know and they think it's all done away with Hashem Hashem help God will help us you know we have a we have a dear friend we came from California before we made a Lea here to Israel and we have a dear friend a Gentile friend strong believer and she said to us one day after we spoke to her over a period of years about Jewish roots and so on and so forth she says I don't have to obey Torah I get to obey Torah yeah it's - ok
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so it was a wonderful observation really really touched our hearts but by the way there's no we need to make a distinction I hope everybody understand there is no caste single commandment that said that you are to study Torah you know what it says it says in Hebrew lasts luck with the very Torah there's a different the word last sock is come from liberal world ESSEC business it's become your father business it's it's about being in the business of Hashem rather than learning
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the facts and the figures so any people person who come into Torah to learn the mechanics is missing the point the point is about our Father house and our Father that is the Prima you know the internality of the Torah so so we have to be very quite quite careful and even you know the rabbis himself says one who practice stylish MA for one own benefit it's very beautiful but with the second a person stopped practice at all relish ma for whatever he really meant to me it
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will lead for his own chopping off his own head you know the rabbi says it's it's the its engraved in us so the kun here is great because you know when you say Torah what is this mean written oral torah what is it so now we have to start kind of defining it and that's what stinks start to become quite muddy well we've learned we've learned several things here and I want to I have another question for the rabbi and then my dear bride is going to ask one but one thing
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we've learned is that one we are not under the law anymore no one is under the law anymore yes for justification and Torah doesn't actually mean law it means instructions instructions it's actually come from the evil with oh ha ha ah to parent what a good parent do instruct or parent holy you know it's a parenting what a good parent does discipline these children in love and that's what the Torah is you know so
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when you see in in Scripture no matter which translation you're reading and it says law just put a line through that and write Torah yeah that's good Torah okay it's really a love letter it is it is indeed a rabbi there's another question we talked about the difference between Jews and Christians and so on question I want to ask you is an even more important worker especially about here in Zeeland ok Zion what is the biggest disconnect between
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today's Messianics and authentic messianic face good answer the skew in the scripture from the scripture I'll give you an answer from the scripture the way we view the coming of Messiah what do I mean by this in the in the last book in the book of Revelation worried about many River many many a kind of like I called him a camera angles camera views that describe the
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same day the coming of the Lord okay it's pretty fun the same day in Zachariah in Isaiah and all the prophets of Israel now interestingly enough in Revelation 15 we see about the day that the Lord appears and Israel will sing a wonderful song it's called the song of the Lamb everybody know about the song of the way but if you read the verse before you see that before we sing the song of the Lamb we're actually going to
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sing the song of Moses okay this is very important catch it up if a person doesn't know the song of Moses you cannot sing the song of the Lamb okay this is exactly what the text says what is the song of Moses is is Exodus 15 in essence if one does not live his life according to the Torah when Michelle come he will not be able to receive Michelle the notion is that you sure you want to know the biggest difference that
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you're sure coming by himself is wrong it's false everybody doing it sure come no issue is going to come with Moses right next to him that's the difference it sure is coming Moshe Rabbeinu is right next to him there's a very wonderful Jewish Midrash a story that when Masha come he come with it like it's a worshiped him it's interesting what tribe Moses was from levy and Moses is with machine and they are playing this this this dis music
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this is fun in in not in the New Testament in the Midrash but if you look at revelation 15 what's happening we receive harps why we're in the worship team and it was in the worship team Yeshua and Moses they're together okay so the Torah is the vehicle it's it's it's absolutely the vehicle that's why you know when Dan of Malachi the great and terrible day Messiah is coming sons of righteousness come with healing in
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his wing why people don't read the last verse in Malachi each give us a chilling warning mushiya coming and it said do not forsake the Torah of Moses my servant okay immediately something in Zion I'll give you a personal story of the things that we have to rectify I have a friend here in Israel he is ascribed you know
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what is ascribe is a Sofia it's a very very special person he writes cross living first of all everybody need he writes the Torah he's right the scroll not just all right it's take about eleven years ten eleven years training before a person is allowed to write a Torah you said more than a rabbi it's like a rabbi it's even more Wow it's very specialized because you need to know their helices which is the
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ruling about the taper the lettering the way the team did everything you know it's like a rabbi they're like us and these are real scribe I want to tell you this story very by the way I send him from miraflores lima the lord healing was recently diagnosed at the beginning of Parkinson and we pray for him I don't want to talk
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about what we have but this is what you are jobs yeah yeah man this ministry is doing a lot of wonderful humanitarian yeah but it's more than humanitarian and I want to explain this to the people this man is an important person in Judaism he is described when we read about the scribe and the Pharisee he's dead and I sit with him when I talk to him about this and he says to me I found your show in every letter Yeshua is in
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every letter it's amazing how can it be that a person like this for 15 years is not visited a messianic synagogue because they tell him that he's too Orthodox and he's not welcome in the Messianic movement did you hear what he just said this is this is it Orthodox Jew who has come to faith in Yeshua and he is not invited to come to
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a messianic synagogue not only not invited they look at him the way he dressed so we don't want this year you know so what I'm trying to tell you they challenge you it's not just look it's one thing to bring the Taurus but we're talking here Daniel about our thought our mindset listen it is not a Jewish organization this week this week I read
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making fun of all the books because the way they dress and this people that we look up for okay I said wow this is not right look it says that in 70 80 the temple was because of sin Audrina are blameless eight you know what will bring my share at the end of the day blameless love a vitrine up we must learn Ahava Israel we must learn our
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unconditional up to the Jewish people forget Yeshua for a moment I hate to say this you will come through our action because you should live it in us we are you sure you know I wrote this book they're kosher pig and people were upset with me how do you get calling calling issue of the pig you know who understand it every Jew on this standard today that when way a Jew look at us today not just at Yeshua but also us is like a hacia
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you know and it's just the day hacia the pig will return and will become clean I want you're sure to become clean again I want you to become he is clean but he is clean but but I wanted to become clear to all of Israel here in Jewish to all of the Jewish people I wanted to be seen as well but only when we practice of love first inside among ourselves and then among the body of Messiah and among
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all official and we will be able to accomplish it so you know when I see things like these and forgive me I mean you wanted a real interview I'm not gonna give you full of answers I'm going to tell you something it started with the fact we need to ask yourself a question are we really following the acts 2 3 4 5 model are we looking like this and I can say yes right now I cannot say yes but I pray that we will and that's what we we would
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we rectifying but it's it's a lot of work this is a personal tragic story about this so fair describe who has lived an Orthodox life secretly secretly loving issuer and it took in year to build up enough courage to come to his congregation and acknowledge that Yeshua is his Messiah and you know what
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happened not only did they throw him out no no what happened let me accurately tell this story you know they had let him find out yeah it was and that was the Adalia team yeah an anti missionary Jewish organized a fine they fired out and they say you will never write a mezuzah Wow or a scroll again and that was the end of this career see for me a person like this is an example need to be put in a position of Honor and we have to cherish people like that yes is
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it the one thing I love about Judaism it's the concept of kavod of honoring elders all during honoring people who are have a kedusha and we say well one is our rabbi yeah one is a rabbi Yeshua of course it but he sent a special Schliemann special people and and we have to learn to honor honored inside the body of Messiah developing a culture
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of honor okay and I don't want to paint you know this interview like everything is gloom and doom either look we brought three afraid to run in a short distance and we have the fourth one is coming up we are seeing fruit we sing restoration we have a list of about 12 communities in Israel now said yes we want to come back this is good this is great this is exciting so something is exciting happening and I don't want it to be just
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everybody held the negativity here but this is I want everybody especially from Nasser listen to you from the nations to understand that in intercede because if you're sure is not our King properly in Zion he is never returning to the nation's no way so rabbi Shapiro to wrap this all up what is the rectification what does the process look like where do we go from here
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it's a great question in Matthew chapter 9 there is a passage where you sure made the man that is paralyzed asked myself the coughed and the question who is this paralyzed man Yeshua tell him your sins are forgiven get up and walk okay he told him come and even get up proclaim the power of Resurrection and because of your resurrection now go forward this is a challenge that I have for the entire
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body of Messiah proclaim the power of Resurrection of the real Jewish Messiah okay let us raise up and proclaim it okay upon ourselves but then as it says in Isaiah 60 or rise and shine kumi ori ki bowers all right let's walk it out we need to learn to walk it out as the first century believers if those who watch your
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program now were not Jewish they ever mandate to become authentic Messianic believers so what God is doing he's raising the Messianic movement I encourage every non Jew watch his program to become involved in Messianic Judaism and and to the Messianic Jews I said welcome the nations to come in their in their this is the calling the Gentiles have to learn to walk together with their Jewish brothers okay for the Jewish people they need to walk with the
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Gentiles but lead them to the right place and the right place is come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord to yerushalaim Yeshua says in Matthew 5 the city upon a mountain not a heel upon a mountain should not be hidden this city is the body the mountain is the represent you Russia live it's a Jewish City is a Jewish body and it is Jewish faith ok the funniest thing that they the Lord will be one and we will restore
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us to one language so now we have a duty to learn this little guard language which is what is it it's the covenants so the mandate is obviously Jewish people have to walk into the covenants then we the Gentiles have to learn about the Covenant and come along with us you know so we both have kind of a similar similar wall Jewish people have to learn have to receive it and most importantly we have to get to the city and build the kingdom because you
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sure said the kingdom of God at the end so this is this is it lets us focus now on the solution and let us focus on restoring ourself back every time we're doing it we are hastening the day of the Lord and I don't know about you but I am ready for you sure to return you know that we have a saying Jew and Gentile requisite ly distinct prophetically linked exactly and I just want to give a
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plug real quick for subbu rabbi Shapiro did start a discipleship school and you can find it at Shuvo TV sh UVU TV and it's for Jews and non-jews to learn the authentic Messianic faith oh man oh man so let us move forward well friends you've heard a tremendous amount today I hope you've learned something it's been an honor and a pleasure to have rabbi
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Shapiro here on Revelation to the nation's if you have any questions please get in touch with us or drop the rabbi aligned and we thank you so much for watching this episode of revelation of the nation's Shalom from Zion I am so excited about the work the Israeli believers are doing here in the land they're helping so many people and meeting so many different needs they really are continuing the vital work of
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the kingdom exactly as Yeshua commanded I literally get a thrill Dan when I think about the fact that nearly 2,000 years ago after that time it's all happening here again back in the place where it all began the gospel has gone full circle honey and we get to live here and watch it happen every day I feel so blessed yes Devorah we are indeed privileged we
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