Cabaran Pandemik COVID 19 : Kesihatan Mental dan Hak Asasi

Cabaran Pandemik COVID 19 : Kesihatan Mental dan Hak Asasi

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ibrahim celebrity mental health advocate and patron of miyaza mental illness awareness and support association burma mental health association uh [Music] [Music] um [Music] [Music] screen [Music]
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[Music] photography [Music] okay vivian are you ready one two three okay one two three all right thank you very much thank you very much so [Music] [Music]
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yes yes yay wow okay what an interesting morning yeah uh good morning everyone uh sofia and i'm sure you're having a lot of stress for your mental health right now we have to be you know i mean life is like that okay uh so let me just get the formalities out of the way first for everyone that's dr madeline burma good morning to everyone i hope you don't mind me uh speaking in both bahasa today and also english so that everybody
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can take something away from what uh my keynote has to offer today inshallah so first and foremost it seems like a blessing in disguise i would say though happened alongside the pandemic as more people have come to realize the state of their own mental health and the importance of seeking help however we still have a long way to go but there's always baby steps that matter first again it is a known fact that a loss of
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control is one of the major stresses in life for a human being and it can impact a person's mental health negatively and boy haven't we all felt that loss of control in the last two years our lives have been turned upside down for sure university at malaysia september which is the depression anxiety stress scale that is it's not really a surprise to all of us because often the repressed and suppressed or both have the most
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feelings of helplessness and the least access unfortunately to resources it's very interesting for me to also learn about it is also not surprising that is this leads me to a point here to mention something quite personal and that is that no one is exempt from mental health challenges no gender no status and no so-called lifestyle that either you're living or that you portray on social media
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makes anyone immune to having had trauma in their life having adversities in their life or having any of the biopsychosocial spiritual risk factors that are very important to keep a person healthy and stable and if any of these get thrown out of place or are not balanced this can lead to depression anxiety and sometimes suicide i studied psychology in in university from the age of 18 with the hopes of becoming a clinical psychologist not becoming a celebrity
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however i must say that the studies helped me an awful lot in my journey because all the years 25 years of being in my career as a performer i continued my my my studies and luckily for me i would say i continue to to seek therapy for a psycho-educational purpose but also to manage the situation that i found myself in munchari so i knew through my studies that i needed to take care of myself
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and luckily i did because i myself have experienced postnatal depression this happened in 2019 i've been quite open about sharing this this experience um but i also a lot of people don't know i would say suffered from but i would also say it was also a blessing because every suffering is also a blessing isn't it because it teaches you something or gives you a coping skill that makes you superhuman in some ways i had anxiety for 23 years
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i was happy in those moments but of course behind the scenes just like all of you who are here today and most people there's always different things happening behind the scenes in our lives for example just to give you a little insight so that people don't think i'm just speaking from a privileged position which is what is often perceived but that i have also been there i've been in the deep dark pits of of of the mental and emotional difficulties that a lot of people who've gone through even worse than i have gone through i um can share that
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for example i was beaten in so many situations for not being white enough for not being asian enough or being a different religion because i i traveled around the world with my father who worked in the airlines and i kept a lot of these experiences my coping mechanism to deal with this was actually to um [Music] coping skills suicide it always follows most of us who are raised in an asian household again don't
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do anything wrong you know make sure that you stay on the right path alhamdulillah this is is sometimes the friends that you have growing up are no longer your friends because either they grow or you grow or you both have different paths but that doesn't matter what matters is you have even one or two close friends i always say and they can get you through uh and give that support that's needed alhamdulillah a little bit uh then say and because of that experience i am more present for myself and my family and
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clearer in my life direction which is to be an edutainer not just an entertainer so this time i hope to combine my education my experience with a little bit of entertainment you're not going to lose me completely as a performer i was so i hope that helps a lot of people feel a bit better i feel like i'm more present for myself and my family and it did take a lot of blood sweat and tears but it's been worth it alhamdulillah i just would like to touch a little bit as we come to the closing of my keynote address
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a symptom of deep pain a symptom of depression a symptom of severe anxiety a symptom of trauma that's been kept too long without being addressed it's not like somebody wakes up and just decides the next day that they're going to take their lives and i have loved ones and friends who have done that but they didn't wake up it was a gradual process copycat syndrome is quite a common thing so please i would just like to add do not share any videos or photos of suicide if you are on the receiving end of suicide
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but we are not here to guilt and we are not here to judge because that is one of the stigmas and um alhamdulillah recently we have heard the good news that suicide will be decriminalized the penal code 309 alhamdulillah is now being very much considered and it is time that it is abolished yeah um but of course you know a lot more work still needs to be done because even if you abolish the penal code where do those who are going through mental health problems go for the first step to
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get that help if they don't have the financial support to assist them so because money cannot buy you health and happiness there is a domino effect here one abused child can lead to a future of abused drugs which could then lead to beaten spouses and maybe even murdered children and we've seen this happen so this is the domino effect of mental illness being unresolved through transgenerations
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and i have been witness to this myself a stable mind a calm mind leads to less suffering and society and more empathy where its people can depend on each other and thrive and progress the thing is through the pandemic and although it opened the gates for people globally to talk about mental health in malaysia specifically the level of awareness acceptance and readiness to speak up continue to be a challenge cultural habits and the old school ways you know
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they don't die off easily lastly digital technology it continues to evolve and improve more people are connected but sadly more people often do feel disconnected due to issues such as unrealistic expectations based on what is seen and shown on social media his perfect life her perfect life etc etc which is often not true there's also the issue of cyber bullying that we need to address an awful lot of keyboard warriors behind
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the keyboards throwing out their depression and anxiety symptoms to others economy i'm not a professional psychiatrist or psychologist i am just a person who happens to be well known as lived experience of this i've seen family and friends go through this and a person who's always had a passion to help others in the best way and within my own capacity how do we approach the person without them becoming defensive and that's the
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biggest challenge even for myself when i was going through my postnatal depression um we need to be there for them and say things like thank you for telling me i'm here for you now i may not be able to help you but i'm here for you now you can so we need to be very careful with the words that we use uh can you tell me more what else what what what what has happened
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have to quickly call somebody a professional and the first step you can go to is your gp gps are actually the best place to go for the first step and that's where i went even though i know psychiatrists and psychologists how do you say it loss of control that's it my life is out of control i went straight to the gp and the gp said to me you know uh sarima alhamdulillah that you came because i have seen other mothers and fathers yeah muscle clinics
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with a very unfortunate situation because they did not come earlier so thank you for coming early and i said what did you see doctor he said children that have been hurt wives that have been beaten self-harm so at least you come here now before that happens and that is the thing about our society that we need to change the judgment against ourselves is worse than the judgment against others
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whenever we feel shame you know i can't tell anyone that's the first response and that is the stigma we put on ourselves before we even put on others actually so people talk about kennebunk stigma stigma began i always ask the questions so i always say you know give the empathy and compassion that you wish to get from somebody else to another person that would be my response i mean can i say uh the mental health is a silent one of the silent killer i mean
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kalam lee had uh incident incident black uh well you know it is a silent and slow killer that's the thing it's a slow killer we don't realize the effects of it until it's become severe that's the issue here how do we catch it before it becomes an actual killer or fatal the steps are there i mean the situations are there unfortunately childhood and then we've got to look at
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the transgenerational patterns and we're not here to blame anyone our parents did the best they could with the knowledge they had and what was passed to them and so on and so on and so on the situation is now today in 2021 what can we do to better serve our children and society moving forward so it is a silent killer but the more dangerous aspect of it i believe is it's slow and it's subtle because i said look at it it's not it doesn't happen that way
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you know there are there are things that happen to people gradually that create the symptoms of violence aggression and we are too quick as a society to to judge and and throw them in jail but if we don't look at the root cause of the pain how are we going to prevent the addictions from continuing and the the crime because the root cause is not there if you look there was a study that was
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carried out in the us and they looked they went into the prisons uh the inmates of of like we're talking serious murder homicide rapists and you know they did it was called the circle i think i believe it was called the circle um experiment where they had all of the killers and rapists step into a circle as each description of their life was read out and you could see that the history of their lives the commonality the common factor for all of the
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the uh worse murderers and worse rapists was always childhood adversity and a loss of themselves through their lives so what are we doing to children that is creating this loss of self and empathy that causes the violence and the rape and the drug addiction so it's not just biological and genetics we need to look at the social
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you know social environment aspect which i believe is the biggest impact if you ask me uh um thank you very much for your experience everything you share all the experience [Music] okay thank you very much sophian uh first of all thank you very much jaipuan sarima ibrahim you know for accepting our invitation to officiate and share your experience
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what's up here please please share from your heart and that's basically what you are thank you so much i know you have to leave by 11. uh but there are a few there's maybe one question that i would like to post uh to you just some of you leave because i was very attracted to the video that you have just now so uh just let me go through the formalities first good job yeah okay so people can say i can see very nice we don't have a ramutan but we call it uh give it a better name so we will hear
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from her and i know during pandemic convict 19 i think there's a lot of challenges that uh they uh the hospital is facing of course in terms of facilities and dealing with issues so i really hope that she can share with us later thank you uh i can see her chat laura cause we yeah sorry ko sui sang where are you i can see you there smiling away and listening to chippewa as always people will be transfixed to their video okay so i can
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see her there just now thank you for uh for accepting our invitation and our last but not least i had an opportunity thank you he will be sharing his experience [Music] oh okay okay no problem guitar will go into the law okay so thank you very much to all speakers and now i would like to welcome my former my my native uh former commissioner francis i can see you there
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thank you so much oh now i can see our new dato fresh minted daughter rashida thank you for joining us coming triyan i i mean she's really the person that we did here and and as usual she's the lowest table yes dr mack i will join and in fact it's melania i twisted her arm a bit i mean uh said a few of your stuff they got the book and said i am going to attend myself as usual thank you so much and i can say that kian is from the library i'm so glad
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then i said i told him i think your boss your former boss is here she said yeah yeah she was my former boss so thank you dr rashid thank you so much thank you so we were very fortunate because not easy to get uh celebrity young son budget so thank you so much okay uh checkpoint there's one question i would like to ask you you are uh you are uh i saw your video yes
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i remember you said that to me immediately fresh minted also it was out of the oven and he said oh my god and i was just sitting there black it was all black and white why not colors okay no more dua what is it about this song why is it so special that you think that you should share with us in the session today is it just another video or sarima is coming back being a celebrity if you can highlight that so whenever we go to the human
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rights issue if you can highlight on that yes yes thank you um thank you doc i always call you doc is that okay um do you sabotage me i don't see it as just a video it was shot we did it this is a song from our heart and it was written by damien mikhail who's also gone through his own mental health challenges um songwriter anu graham when i wanted to create
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i'm 43 now you know and i'm still me but we grow as human beings you know what i mean so i've seen a lot in the last 20 years since guinea cotera and i've experienced a lot and i thought you know let's do a song that talks about hope because i've seen too much pain and hopelessness in the last in the last two years and you know people losing their lives losing their jobs losing their family losing hope
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so myself and damien we sat down and when our awareness against suicide ngo approached uh approached me to be part of this stand for hope campaign i said yes let me help whatever i can do okay so we we recorded this song from i recorded it from my room and i sent it to damien and we did it long distance and we did the video long distance and everything you see there is done by each individual person who's been through a mental health challenge and we wanted to to share it
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and what we're getting back now is it's not going to the charts it's not going viral but it's going to people's hearts and that was the objective of this song for for me and damien and for us to share with people they are not alone we understand their stories everybody has a story if you watch the video clip there's a background story to everybody's pain though so and that is what we don't know about so screen keepers and as human beings we have the right to
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be acknowledged for the full person that we are abled disabled mentally disabled physically disabled emotionally disabled you are still a full human being and i believe that nobody has the right to undermine any disability that a human being has we often focus on the the human rights of those that are obviously being um marginalized
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but we forget about the people who are being marginalized and discriminated against that look fine for example high achieving people who have emotional mental disabilities they look fine to us but are they really fine until again like you mentioned um until the point of no return happens and i think that human rights the right to be able to speak up about what we're
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going through emotionally and mentally is something that we need to catch up on and this video was our way of saying there's hope and you have the right to feel sad and to feel down it's part of being a human being is part of the journey we don't always have to look happy all the time because i think that is that is not serving us as human beings this need to look perfect that we depict and through through social media it's quite
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a it's quite an unfortunate it's a wonderful thing to have this connection with the world and it's also a very dangerous difficult thing because of the effects on our mental health and our perceptions awesome one last uh one last point before you i know you have to leave now uh no i mean you told me that you have to leave immediately again okay i have another talk okay just one point what is it on our uh and we're going to come up with oh yeah well we're talking about
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government policies and blah blah blah if there is one thing that you think that the government should have done or should do is there anything that you can recommend here a huge massive campaign a huge campaign a campaign that reaches everyone not just you know a campaign that is not too direct in your face but a campaign that depicts people being imperfectly perfect a campaign that is inclusive
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do you get what i mean whereby um you know we could i i oh i want to do this but i need the support of the government and i it's very difficult to to to sometimes reach the right people you know we're talking a massive nationwide awareness campaign like they've done in australia and whatnot with addiction problems and in the us et cetera where we touch people and we tell the people and the elders that it's okay to be sad it's okay to be down and depressed
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but there is hope and there is help where do you seek the help and and we need more funding and volunteers uh so that we it needs to be an all-inclusive campaign you know i i foresee a tv advertisements i see songs i see a big coming together a big concert i mean if the whole nation can come together for anagra and the commonwealth games and you know for hariko medeka and why can't we come
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together for a huge celebration of mental health you know i i see that it can be done and it's so crucial for the productivity of the country we are losing people people's talents and people's you know um productivity because they can't cope with their mental and emotional disabilities so i think that campaign and then you see the effects after that the deaths and the abuse and the children being hit
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so we need to do something more so that's what i would like to see happen but it's not easy it's going to be a big a big journey but it needs to be something that the ministry of health and education see as essential so that's what i would like to say sarima you're very fortunate you know what uh we have dr rashida here really really i can see her holding her head and knowing her she's really fast in doing things i don't know what it is
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that we call him s-u-t s-u-t and in in in and i'm sure she coming from new zealand if there is anything that rashida come come the fact that you are here uh that representation if you don't mind before we start our discussion is there anything that you want to share or you want to you know whatever that you need to say something i know you're very very very busy thank you doctor the three speakers yeah okay thank you i didn't expect to talk here uh probably i know it's okay
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madeline she will just plug something from thin air yeah study because of the 100 participants okay continue that okay yeah i must apologize i didn't come in in time to to listen to a talk and i'm sure it is very inspiring and and very you know tuned my sunday because this is what we are facing at the moment and this is i think this issue has been in our community for a long long time but it's just that we
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don't want to talk about it um and then um coming as a prophet saying that sorry bravo i say call you propaganda no i interested to be called for everybody is a dhato in a meeting you don't know who's referring to who it's okay it's okay and i call you that too also now no problem continue yes having come from new zealand and i i was very fortunate to be able to have a sojourn there i i i lived there when i was doing my studies and new zealand out of that out of the oecd
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countries is the top uh per capita of suicidal cases and they make it a very very a prominent issue they make a lot of campaigns they meet a lot of awareness and so happens me being me always talking to the people on the street i met with one journalist who whose son committed suicide and she wrote a book about it and and she's a survivor she called
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herself as a suicide survivor not because she committed suicide but she went through the trauma and uh and the aftermath of what happened so she had a book and she has given us that e-copy and i must go back to her again and ask uh us and then um and especially with the pandemic um it's just just a lot of cases uh just people do not want to come forward and yes the word marian actually is something which is very very sensitive uh to
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people so it is very um a very good time that we are discussing this thank you so much for for initiating this um so that we bring to the people that it is okay to discuss about this it's okay for us to find strategies for us to help there are people i mean i know in in the workplace i am already seeing it already i see that some of my colleagues um are having people next to them who are also facing these kind of things so uh is it
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all it was quite cases of the old jaw okay but now it's like just next to you so how are we going to handle it uh and it has a head of department and i'm so happy that with the state they have one uh they have instituted a unit for the civil service offices and now we have just been being given the uh the the mandate to run a center uh for the public and that is being given to the ministry i'm so happy for
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that and with that now we are strategizing on the manpower requirements because it cannot just be anybody that you come and get due to to mend this uh and we are now sitting down on the papers the manpower um the venue even even to the detail of the place it has got to be inviting kind of thing you know the environment and ambience so um we are going there and thank you for organizing this uh we have to have more of such discussions bro thank you everyone and everybody
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who's here thank you so much i would love to thank you thank you dr rashida she is really the right person to be here i mean in terms of our state because she's representing the minister i mean from the office not not representing the minister but being the really the right person is directly under your office yeah so i would love to i would love to work together with you please there's a new year will be one of the earliest to do that knowing what
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i am so happy because we need that also uh we definitely would want to work on that because it's also about rights because like for example if they have issues no can they just come to and then say i can't come to office today i'm not feeling good is it is it good enough you know these are issues like dr rashida was saying you know somebody just sitting next to you and for women is you know marian is one thing but what about men oh yes and men have huge mental health issues massively um especially with
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regards to addiction because their coping skills are completely different to women often agree okay and with the you know to them um admitting something is not right with them as like i'm not mad enough but in actual fact sometimes they really need help yeah i know i believe that men are actually the most a strongest and the most challenged if you ask me because they have to carry this
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burden of it's even worse than women at least for women we are allowed to speak but men are not even allowed that right to speak about their feelings and their emotions because it's seen as a weakness so i mean i ask the men of the nation what about your rights to speak up for what you're going through mental and emotional health-wise because they're suffering and that's why we see the domino effects of abuse and domestic abuse etc these are not men who want to
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hurt people these are men who don't have any sense of self and compassion for themselves anymore they've lost who they are so we need to help the men in our society so that they can take care of the women and children exactly it's true i totally agree with that yeah thank you for highlighting the issue about rights and an issue about when a man taking control oh my goodness so many things so i can't have to think about other than thinking about you know our issue about ncr land and things like that
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so yeah and so far i mean i'm really like every time when chip won ceremony you know she even invited me for the what do you call that that that the one online that you would buy the clubhouse yeah you know this thing called clubhouse i am a real dinosaur and so what is a clubhouse she actually helped me to go through step by step and that's good oh my goodness thank you so much i have a room tomorrow on clubhouse actually if anyone would like to we're going to be talking about fears at one to two o'clock yeah please do yeah all
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right thank you for having me today thank you so much so now i think i need to proceed with my the second stage so thank you so much i will that i mean i'm sure if dr rashida needs any input or any kind of advice i'm sure she will be happy to assist you later so i think there's a lot of thank you to er from everyone here yeah japan uh although they can't say although they're only 98 participants but there's so many out there on facebook thank you so much
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thank you so much all right thank you all right so i am so sorry i think now we have to move to the second part of our present or our other our discussion uh dr ruslawati dr dr pegora [Applause] i hope you can stay on and just listen uh to some of the things that yeah thank you japan she said stay safe everyone okay thank you okay dr rosila if you can just uh share with us do you have a
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presentation or or you just want to do a little bit of a sharing of the calf and things like that or you have a presentation yes i do have the presentation so but it would be good if you can share it more in a sometime manner because uh you know i think people are kind of very really an overdose of madeline so you know so it will be very helpful if you can just uh as you present uh kind of be listening on in the thanks of uh disgust okay thanks
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okay thank you okay um thank you very much [Music] and then i will go through and then maybe sharing a bit about what's happening um during covet pandemic okay oh nice title uh since the title is a cassette mental then pencil i was thinking that i put this uh saini emo see the ninda
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so um basically this is my hospital center kuching it looks nice from the outside so i hope all of you can pay a visit later when the kobe 19 permits and lifted so my presentation will be in malay and then i uh just in nick's language so um basically um just until sometimes
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so uh so that's uh don't be stressed so um [Music] um um um [Music] um um foreign [Music] um world mental health in an unequal world comedian um and um stress
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that was a great [Music] [Music] um um um um [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music]
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me [Music] [Music] [Music] me [Music] a very kind words in that card so women i keep that card and then bill i rusted uh in a way um workout too i can book out valid that
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message the card and then i will [Music] um um to deal with the difficult feeling [Music] um [Music] then i can take care of ourselves and thank the police stay safe he decided to dr medellin thank you thank you doctor thank you for sharing your views and your you know very simple exercises
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okay thank you thank you so much okay uh what i will do can i just get our participants to either write your questions or post your questions on our chat or you can just reserve it for a few minutes so please sir so now you just reserve your question and now i would like to invite uh miss laura i like your the title of your organization yeah mind blew i only know about coffee i only know about tatari but here you have mine brew maybe if you
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can just introduce yourself briefly and mine brew because i was supposed to introduce them but because of it so that's what you got so all right if you don't mind so the floor is your flora uh can i give you about 15 minutes like that to to share your thoughts yeah although because the 20 minutes i want to reserve for the questions and answers later all right thank you dr madeline i will try my best i want you to share some slides because okay
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yeah so let me just do that very quickly or try my best to keep everything within uh 20 minutes or 15 minutes you try your best first okay sure give me a moment good morning everyone sam sajatra salamat fagi my name is laura i am from the mental health association of sarawak my brew is actually an initiative under the mental health association of sarawak and as for myself i am a pharmacist by training i actually work with uh dr rusliwati who is my
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hospital pringara but my brew is something that i do my own time it's a volunteer community initiative so give you a bit of background i need to give this background because um otherwise you'll not be able to follow what i'm going to talk about next i was actually invited by suakam swawat to talk about mental health issues in youth in teenagers in youth to give you a bit of history of how members started we started in 2018. at that time mha was organizing a lot of
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events there were talks there were seminars but there were no young people so that um that we we realized that this could be an issue either because our topics are or there could also be an issue of stigma because a lot of our events were being held at our office in jalan kritapi and people might feel bimalula you know you come to an event about mental health why people think that i got problema you know so when uh when we saw this happening we
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decided to innovate and bring conversations about mental health into the community other than expecting people to come to us we'll go through them so we partnered with local business partners cafes event spaces places where young people like to hang out like you know for people like gulepa and we organize these uh casual facilitated conversations about mental health and emotional well-being our target group youth and young working adults
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our vision for mayan brew very specific we want to create safe spaces in the community to talk about mental health what are safe spaces this is something that i explain a bit more later on we want to normalize conversations about mental health like what chapter one uh sorry my talked about just now we want people to understand that mental health is as important as physical health we don't want people to feel ashamed to say that they are not okay i mean if you have a broken leg people will oh you know
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you know they'll visit you they'll give you uh help you and all that but if you say that i'm having a tough time i'm depressed i'm very anxious almost nobody will lie on you or they'll lie on you in a way that is not acknowledging that you are going through something real right so our final vision is to empower and engage resilient communities at mimebu we believe that each and every one of us especially we are talking about our asian community we have the power to help each other we have the
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power to help ourselves but we need the knowledge and we need resources we need skills to do that we don't always have to wait for mental health professionals to help us when we are struggling we can help each other so keep that in mind that is one of our visions very briefly this evolution of mindbrew we started in october 2018. it was a collaboration with the champions coaching we did physical events at inda cafe it's a popular cafe
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in carpenter street we haven't seen them for a while because of the pandemic and because of the pandemic we also shifted online in april 2021 we've been doing monthly mind rule conversations since then so looks at let's look at some numbers in total since 2018 we have impacted 240 people we have had 13 sessions six of which were online and our average age of participants is 27
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years old so the youngest has been about 20 to 21 the oldest has been about 40-ish we're dealing not with teenagers we're dealing with youth and young working adults who are in periods of transition in their lives either moving from uni to work or moving through different life stages like marriage starting new jobs etc these are examples of the topics that we've covered uh in my view if you can
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see uh the topics there's upper cover setting boundaries i'm enough these are not your usual mental health topics these are not no signs and symptoms of depression uh kamurongan or kurosahan but these sorry these are topics that um deal with knowing yourself getting to know yourself getting to know your emotions getting to develop healthy coping skills so in my view we are encouraged we encourage people to ask questions to
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share to learn healthy coping skills if you can see on the right side of the screen these are actual feedback from participants who came and told us that i want to connect with others i want to have a healthy and positive conversation about mental health and i want to learn from other people get to know different perspectives how people cope with their own struggles so that i can reflect and i can review my own life as well what is very important at every single mind brew we emphasize to everyone who
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comes my brew is not a support group it's not a crisis center it's not a substitute for professional therapy and treatment but if you do need more help and you come to our sessions our facilitators are there to guide you to seek help to seek additional help whether it be counseling or a referral to a doctor i've been talking about mindful conversations we get people to talk about mental health but how do we do that our process is actually very simple it's
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not something that we invented every mime brew as you saw earlier has a topic so we'll kickstart your thought process get you thinking get people talking with a with a movie uh we'll play a game or we'll listen to a sharing experience this is the same format for physical and for online mind view for example uh i don't know whether you heard you probably heard of this movie children's cartoon inside out so excellent movie for you to watch together with your children even
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for adults to understand emotions so we use this movie when we talk about emotional resilience after we kick start the program we'll break into small groups each group has a facilitator okay he or she will guide conversations with proms so our function as a facilitator is there to guide so that the conversation um but we are not there to counsel we're not there to give you answers we're not there to give you advice we believe that through that small group discussion you
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actually learn from each other so our function is there as a guide i'd like to emphasize here that our volunteer facilitators at my bro a lot of us are not mental health professionals i think the majority of us myself i'm not a mental health professional i'm a pharmacist i don't have a background in psychology but i have lived experience and i've experienced uh learning uh in my own journey so this small group is very important for you to keep in mind it is safe space again safe space to listen learn and
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share and after everything finishes we do a wrap up and debrief now creating safe spaces and connecting communities that was the title of my topic why are safe spaces so important ninja point sorry mother you talk a lot about this just now the importance of listening to someone who is struggling you look on the screen again these are actual feedback from participants the one that i've highlighted i find my route to be a safe space for people to open up about their daily mental
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struggle without the need to be anything other than themselves they don't have to pretend it's especially important when you're always expected to express yourself as is you're not struggling that you're perfectly fine and i'd rarely resonate with what japan talked about earlier about how mental health issues affects everyone no one is immune regardless of your status of how good your life looks from the outside so this is very important when we are listening to people
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a lot of us don't actually listen we have two ears and we have one mouth for a reason masala here a lot of us actually don't use our ears um enough when people are talking to us we're already busy responding oh you know how to answer that person how to give advice for example i think japan also shared earlier if someone says to you that you're struggling a lot of us automatically it's not your fault it's just automatic you start saying things like don't be so negative you think positive
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you know if you it will pass you'll go away uh why don't you go exercise you know why don't you go and read this book it's good for people with depression so instead of listening instead of acknowledging we are actually just responding and and that is something that is problematic because i remember chairpoint saying earlier you're making that person feel small you're making that person feel like they are not important you know that their struggle is like uh attention seeking but it's
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actually not so safe spaces are so important for our community for everyone who is going through a tough time now connecting communities human beings are social creatures no we if we were not social creatures back when we were still a hunter-gatherer society we would have died without a community because animals would have eaten us and even as we progress in a modern society we can become more and more individualistic the need for human connection
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is still there we still need to feel that connection with another human being and for persons who are struggling with mental health issues the problem that uh actually compounds you know how they're feeling make them feel even more even worse is that they feel alone if you look at what i highlighted there someone said that now i know it's okay to not be okay you shouldn't be ashamed of your mental condition knowing that others is are also struggling and trying to find ways
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to cope it makes me feel less alone that's the key word feeling less alone and that's so important for all of us to feel like people care that people are connecting with us so support and connection exist in the community just like this participant said and this is what we provide in my view finding a community of people who will listen to you who will also share their experiences and show that
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allow you to share your experiences so that you all learn from each other and you realize that you are not alone now as i talked about earlier um we are not mental professionals well most of us are not i myself and not so what i'm going to share in the next few slides are things that we have heard from mindview participants 13 sessions 240 people we have recognized that there are certain patterns in why they say you know i don't feel good i've been struggling i'm not okay
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because uh in because of these following slides and i'm going to very quickly quickly sharing them in three areas the first one is disconnection from other people essentially loneliness so people who say i have friends but i'm so lonely my family doesn't understand me no i keep everything inside because there's no point now you talk to someone they'll say oh you know why you're so negative why you always uh you know bad advice bring bad vibes into our conversation our loneliness is not the
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same as being alone loneliness can happen even with when you are in a house full of family when you are sitting in the lecture hall with hundreds of other students around you and well obviously that's not happening now because everyone's online learning still but loneliness is about disconnection it's about not sharing um not having meaningful communication with the people around you feeling detached so that's a major factor that causes mental distress
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in our mind blue participants the second area that i want to touch on is disconnection from a hopeful secure future can i get a job after i graduate can i afford to buy a house let me just give an example uh of why i put why our participants have put this up as a major source of mental distress last time back in my time if you were a doctor it was a very prestigious job very secure the moment you graduate you are
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guaranteed a job with the government unless you choose to leave right but now with the problem with contract doctors contract pharmacists contract healthcare workers you are not guaranteed a job you may not have to wait very long after you graduate before you can secure a job and in that time you're not earning any income for some of us that is a problem and um along with contracts and job insecurity also comes problems in career progression you know how do you go for postgraduate training all of
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these things are so uncertain and before they were not so uncertain so uh even for buying a house all those normal milestones getting married buying a house you know having your own family and life these things can be very hard now for graduates even if you have a degree you know you have a good job houses are so expensive you may not be able to afford a house and of course because of the pandemic there are additional worries and everyone i believe is in the same boat
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when can things go back to normal we when the vaccines came in we saw hope but then again cases started rising and things started getting worse again and now we're starting to see more hope but none of us dare to say you know i uh next year i can do this is this none of us are daring to plan just yet because we still don't know what's going to happen and this connection from focus a hopeful future if you talk to people with depression with major depressive disorder and you ask them where do you
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see yourself in two years or what do you want to do next month or two months later do you want to make plans to travel they cannot they cannot see a future they cannot see hope in the future and that's a major source of mental distress lastly disconnection from meaningful values i think sharepoint sarama covered this quite nicely a lot of our participants come to us bear in mind that these are people in their 20s all the way up to the early early 40s they come to us and say i don't know what to do with my life every
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day i wake up i go to school i go to work i come back i eat and i repeat i keep doing this i'm like a robot i don't know what i'm doing with my life i don't know what is the point and at the same time with social media you're saying that you're seeing your friends having this very successful life you're seeing people celebrate these looking really good sharing highlights their life and you start feeling that you are a failure i would like to connect this to our society and how we view success from young you are never told you're
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never praised for saying you are a kind person you are a brave person you are good-hearted person instead we are constantly pushed how good are your results you know are you the how are your extracurricular activities what are your achievements how much money do you make later on when you start going to work how much are you earning how good is your job all of these are external measures of success and it severely impacts how we feel about ourselves because we are not looking at ourselves as human beings
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that have values that have meaning instead we are measuring how we are by uh the things that we have the things that we that are external with that i'd like to end with this quote it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a sick society it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a sick society it takes some time to process take a screenshot and have a think about it and some disclaimers all photos of my
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participants have been used with consent you can scan uh the qr code to visit the mha website for more information and connect with us on our social media platforms as well and with that i'll hand the uh floor back to our moderator dr madeleine thank you laura i thought you said you can't manage it but it's really you manage it really really well thank you thank you thank you so much i think you brought up very very interesting issues here something that um you know i always go to carpenter
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street because there's one uh noodle shop there and now suddenly when they come back there's no more noodle shops over there and now i heard about mine brew always meet up there so next time i know every time i come back to coaching i will know where to go okay thank you for sharing with us the uh the the things that you brought i like the three last slides not that to say that the earlier one were not important but you know i can kind of relate to it and i say oops next time when somebody brought this kind of question to me i don't just say allah you just go out now you know
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go and enjoy the uh the morning air or just you know go and smell the fresh uh the flowers and whatever it is at least next time i will have to ask a bit more how do you feel and here because i just lost my earphone very very like you say minnesota i was telling myself i mean why am i you know over this my in my favor because you know iphone they have this kind of what they call it and it was that that earphone was given to me by uh by my student so when i lost
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it i felt so you know i was feeling really really down and i was feeling like oh my goodness i said why am i feeling down over just a headphone but now i can understand yeah so i can go now i understand thank you cp sorry mark thank you laura so that i don't feel bad and also the money doctor daddy where is our doctor yes doctor plus the exercise so next time i don't feel so stressed out because like two things i always get stressed out one my gadget secondly is the the you know the
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messages that you receive sometimes that really like oh my god because i work with the kind of messages that we have meningal canna sodomize you know the kind of things that we have to deal with so you have to really detach yourself so learning the exercise really helps but let us just reserve your questions later i can see my friend there side ask me is you know working thanks me for joining in so that you you check your whatsapp i didn't have a homework for you okay because he has some question also for dr
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rosie yeah okay can i invite you to one month where is he now i can't see him our third speaker yeah there's a problem with this thing really make you stressed out they start moving all over the place okay jake ken can you share with us um but never mind i know but never mind well that out in the next uh parliament maybe we should raise these kind of issues but never mind you don't have to answer madeleine will
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ask weird question so can you share with us what are the issues that uh yo alip satwan you experienced during this convert i know it's really there are a lot of challenges and i can see that dr rashid is there because she's very attentive she listen everyone that's the thing you know sometimes but i do know that there are people here [Music] [Laughter] then [Music]
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sohakam want to organize this kind of discussion [Music] any fingers or whatsoever yeah so i am so glad and i can see that dr rashid is here so she's because you know that uh she did then so but i really why i'm focusing on her because i really want javan kumanjikan but i keep on reminding that it's not rashida because i know of course when people talk about library i cannot detach library from her and now below
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support your commentary so i i'm glad that she's there i know we we have a really fantastic uh you know two ladies out there so we do know how difficult it is yeah all right so thank you jk so now i have two persons that i would like to invite to share briefly we mentioned her name yes uh doctor she give permission okay can you introduce yourself hello hello okay can you introduce she wants to introduce her she had please
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introduce her s uh so thank you very much fazina if you don't mind introduce briefly and share whatever that you want to share with us today i do know that you have a very important sharing yes okay okay hi everyone my name is okay and thank you actually during this pandemic of the covet 19 last year my marriage uh wrecked roma tango
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this baptism i don't know um my ex-husband is abusing me emotionally he start emotionally and physically and at first i thought it was like oh he should be okay maybe he'll lose his job lose his income and he becomes like uh so he's trying to release his emotion by uh [Music]
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so at first i thought it was okay let him express what he wants maybe that will relieve him but i was wrong i was clearly wrong he chose a wrong way to overcome the disappointment in himself he involved in drug abuse and he becomes more and more brutally making us making hari making ghanas so
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okay like i said he so yes maybe i don't have enough time with him and then he start to abuse me emotionally call me during my working hours call me text me video call and he would be like why don't you answer michael why don't you reply my texts is your job more important than me and then he strives started to accuse me accuse me of having affairs
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tapan tinkan beer and then emotionally abuse is really kill me inside seriously uh you don't know how many times i have attempted to suicide not like suicide uh no no my suicide is below either driving a driving and then he calls to flying tata work i almost get hit by another car few times few times i tell you get horn few
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times master on the way up balikaja because dear carl i believe he will be like you must be home within 10 minutes how can it possibly be he is really like pushing me pressuring me from inside and he start when he start to question my loyalty do i have affair or is my friends more important my friends they're not my friends they're my colleagues colleagues and friends yes of course i spend time with
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them during working hours right it's like plus i'm a front liner so we have to during this couple times to the fullest and then he started to abuse me he started to yeah physically abuse all i can say is physically abuse rasa format to the hilum of him and then he's getting worse and worse plus his own drug
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drug addiction he started to threaten my colleagues my superior my hod that he treated everyone even he goes to my workplace the packages chaos chaotic [Music] environment everyone is like looking at me as if i'm a i am oh have scandal that's why the husband is acting like that and
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well we're in malaysia and italy do a group young always pros and cons the process will say you do what you want please think about yourself come on you should do what's the best what you think is best for you and then the second group will be saying like you have been living with him for so many years maybe he is upset because of losing his job losing his job or whatsoever please just cope with him and then when i say what
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about his abusing me should i cope with it too and then they would say like relax well for me if you start to lay hands on your wife then what are you he abused me but physically i don't really feel the pain you i feel the pain with when he abused me emotionally you know how emotionally is when everything he forced me to do what he wants i don't have any freedom i don't have
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any i don't have myself he owns me and i got to work here also monitor monitor me wait for me the cat parking person and how how do a person live like that is that a way of a person live don't we have any [Music] even i know i'm his wife so last year
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he decided he himself decided to claw roma and i don't do anything i just don't care you live so i just la musang at the cop with your your behavior and when you leave i feel like oh my god there's a button being carried from my chest from my shoulder you know and i think like uh when i decide to file a single petition
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divorce for him with him he didn't agree he didn't agree and he tried to manipulate things saying that i did i have other mains have secret affair and harassment look at social media about me about my my face apostoma all the harassment seriously i am mentally emotionally abused until i have to refer to a psychiatrist at a private hospital
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yeah and they said i have you might have minor anxiety madam that's it and i say i really cannot overcome it at first but be like a driving when i'm driving oh my god is that him oh my god my hand is checking then i will just went blank and fortunately god still protects me i drive safely home even after all the incidents and right now
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say lagi because he's in jail because in accusation of trying to kill me uh yeah attempt to murder yes he attempt to murder me after i filed divorce so actually no no not not this woman no woman no human in this world should experience this kind of things we all have rights for me because i'm working i'm working and i'm being loyal to him
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and he's uh he treats me like uh [Music] he treats me like a rubbish all i can say is and he forced me doing everything and luckily i managed to escape from him i luckily managed to save myself love myself and i have friends around me my family supporting me because they know when even if i'm not with him i would be
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happy i mean the way he treats me it's not the way a woman should be treated not only a woman a human should be tripped so are you okay if i said that yeah i'm okay it's just uh yeah yeah i didn't talk about this i tried to deny like my friends say first you you still remember i remember what are you in denial face yes i am in denial face i don't know there's
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a term of that that [Music] what happened and then i asked my mom and friends mom what happened to me what should i say to them and then my friend said you tell them dear dear abuse you what he did yeah everything and all my privacy like headphone card bank all the social media password all we have so i don't really and i don't know what
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triggered him and then whenever he tried to build it maramara okay yeah okay uh i know there's a lot of people who may want to ask questions okay you just be ready okay i uh because i have side here uh the one who calls me i'm sure you're all quite familiar with his work uh yes laura was saying thank you so much for being brave yeah for being brave and and yet you know she
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recognized say it say it are you okay hi so sorry uh last minute is it okay we uh can you just share with us okay one side is a good friend of mine really good friend you can speak here oh well i'm very proud of you because i'm also a pharmacist by profession and then i stop my practice and then i focus on child advocacy says okay
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we see a lot of this [Music] mental so we [Music] you have to understand on mental health issue the priority is not the same as your priorities the priority that's why i'm very much pleased with jkm because it's not diabetes okay on mental health it's actually kkm um dr wrestling
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i'm so sorry but they have to because they are the one facing because kkm is very limited and then young front line is lagging but it's very much important genius and we have to share this knowledge but that's because what a counselling that's bad no not everybody have the access and lastly laura i'm very very happy that they have this service for
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my brew then online but we have to try technology sorry can i ask the question right now so i you are so creative there's so many things i've seen i'm so sorry i have to say the word compared to nanjing but i've heard so many interesting dialogue of technique and tips on mental health
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work or mental health it doesn't sound [Music] am a researcher i say okay thank you very much to me that is my malaysian data malaysia and there's more important than at the moment and those thing is thank you matt for giving me this platform i'm continuing to hear this until the end but okay thank you me thank you so much that is my good friend side as me uh one of the most beautiful hearted
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person very controversial uh of course i need to say that he is controversial uh it's about ideology it is not included uh but never mind the two of us have always gone across and and always find something different okay maybe because i know you need to juggle not only you got the muscle okay i know you have a lot of things and then maybe can we get uh now it's a question and answer session can we get dr rosie thank you dr madeline um okay uh thank
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you for the question you can check as me uh i always understood that you've been at miri for five years again what year is that um uh [Music] is very very encouraging [Music] hospital you call it hospital you know that is that's the thing that okay thank you very much yeah that's all yes there's one question to dr rosie watty in the chat box okay thank you thank you uh thank you
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very much um for that question so actually that's that was a good question because to letting go of the feeling them are very really really really difficult actually so it takes time um um you have a question please straight away is it your question or somebody's question yes my question yes to laura on your mind's brew do you receive any fund from the state or federal government
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to run your organization or you buy donation or from an ngo or things like that all right yes uh thank you for that question engine sofian minebru is not a standalone organization it is initiative under the mental health association of rawa oh okay mhas does receive some funding from the state government we also have uh we also collect donations to fund our operations as well i think everyone in the ngo sector understands how hard it is to get i'm looking for funding you know and
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keep operations running especially at this time yeah write to me oops for the finding part of it and we'll see how we can help yeah well thank you so much see laura i told you it's just like something you know you must have done something right you know sometimes in life this is what happened and nothing happened by coincidence all right okay so another thing you know what i'm curious i mean the the narrative the
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guitar is quite a bird base it's before uh we can call up he literally almost dragged me paid for my flight to clinton just to follow him look at how he does his work with not poor hardcore really really hardcore the minus two percent right the the ones that we visited so so i've seen uh that kind of work but it's still not rural enough for me because because i've been to interior not just rural
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interior you know whatever what i mean yes when we say people says how do we how you know this kind of issues about what they call it mental health how how do they come do they come forward to the hospital or how do they deal with it i'm really not sure maybe [Music] if you can share with us anybody from the era do they come to you and that's it though do they come to you or they just like
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you know you know knowing the rural communities they just cope with among themselves chad from youtube live what is that sophia or this order the chats the results oh they congratulate us mental health among rural communities and also maybe this is something that we know we are you know um because we're still you know grappling [Music] wheelchair [Music]
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[Music] you mentioned about vaccination was it easy for your uh for the okay use in terms of access to vaccination oh yeah we really appreciate that um [Music] then the the medical staff will go to the vendee and do the jets like myself i drive here and they will do it in my car
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[Music] foreign [Music] but we hope that it's not only in normal we hope that it is uh in mo in other areas because i know that uh the government is working very hard on it but like like was saying like they are the problem is with the pockets some of my social media are the pockets not the mainstream you know when we talk about poverty they're talking about pockets of poverty now uh you know people say these are outliers but it is the outliers that that will
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help us in terms of i have a better understanding because like you say noma is okay but we do hope that please bring it to the attention of uh dr rashid i'm sure they can look into it yes when we did the um the vaccination for this people with the special needs um prof uh we work with noma knowing pretty well because when we did the vaccination ourselves having to go through and wait for three hours uh it's really a no-no and then some of
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the vaccination places too um it's not friendly for those people who have to be happy so when we arrange that with norma uh i mean for those young peta one you can see physically they are not uh not not able to go through that kind of physical terrain so you can understand but there are also specialties of people who are already scared of the crowd so yeah yeah yeah we work with noma there's a special room for that so we work through the
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associations we ask the parents to tell us what are your needs and all that so noma was very very kind to us in that sense and i've been able to understand the special needs that we need for the the special people yeah dr rashida thank you very much i remember during our conversation with the okay use discipline yoga i was meant to understand they have eight different categories you know for example the physically you know as i told you it was not in their minds so the
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the the the those at the uh facilities were not prepared for them like you say anxiety and then there is another one you so when they came nobody seems to bother about them they were more concerned about those on wheelchairs and those on top young whatever no one is okay so thank you for bringing that up i'm glad that sarawak took into that into account so thank you thank you so much maybe i would like to invite my friend uh francis do you have anything to share
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francis i'm sure you have an eye for you know the rights to you know for the okay use if you can share with us because he was i know he's very vocal about the rights of the okay user yes resist yeah okay a good return on dr madrid and the rest uh just just a few things to just aware number one i think if you for the disabled order okay you actually
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it will come to think of it every day it's an mco for us you know that's the first fact sometimes we we forgot so i will quote you francis yeah so when become disabled we are [Music] you know stranded at home so you know so so but despite that you find that uh when it comes to the the mco started in march 2020
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the disabled groups as a whole becomes the more vulnerable and they face a lot of other challenges as as explained by injections now you know so so in addition to there are no more challenges at all and at workplace the oku as a group become faced with other related problems just like adding normal people that's number one yeah number two when you talk about disabled groups we are we have to realize that we are
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dealing with seven categories in malaysia there are seven categories of disabled oku each which they are on now each with their own challenges and solutions so when it comes to the mco related problem each have their own problem i think what was not mentioned this now was the wise parents who has a special needs children you know especially the autistic they face more problems during the mco from what i heard you know so there is the group but of
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course there are there are the assistants given by the agencies together with the welfare department but you know but for them as a whole if you have a parent with a disabled kid or with learning disability your your your you know your nightmare will continue you know and the challenges you face because before that they may be going to the pdk or the cbs center but during mcods they are stranded at home so this is one of the
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groups which you know which is often not for not to say forgotten but you know of the limited results that we have so we are dealing with seven seven groups these are people each with their own so during the during the pandemic uh each have their own you know so but like i said earlier if you are a disabler you are supposed to be able to get used to this sort of thing you know like like myself you know i mean each each of us have our own personal experience and you know
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challenges but you know you should be able to you know having been used to being caught up at home you know you should be able to overcome some of the normal challenges with other non-disabled mental health so but personally i have i don't face much problem i managed to do things like you have to look for ways to keep you occupied and all that you know apart from reading and others so i mean this is the what we do right but uh coming back to the word you know
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uh just the thing that you want to share as i mentioned is now was set up in 1992 as a self-help organization in one of the first i was the former leader on the dollar honorary secretary for more than 20 years so until understood but actually when you talk about chat for most disabled people it is not a negative server connotation because you are so used to being orangut you know physically we are accept the
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fact that we are disabled and all that but of course the other non-reserve people feels that the term original chart has a negative connotation and they call it orangura less disabled whatever but whatever it is most of us like we don't we don't bother much about the terminal but of course in accordance with the government policy and practice the term now is of course so that that is number one and okay apart from that i want to
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take this opportunity to thank the ministry of women and random welfare stellar i hated they have done a lot to help the the oku group especially in kuching you know and i was one of the recipients for the beneficiary because just like addison i've been waiting for my my turn for true reminds etc for victories and then it was doesn't come you know apart from the others you know over 60 i m my so i managed to get
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assistance through the ministry and i managed to get a debt for me at normal so i got there i got mine in june vaccination but on my own also i do have a few of our disabled people in kuching to get their vaccination you know so i think things right there so it is uh i used to put and i called our at i mean the disabled especially in coaching group the ngo they appreciate what the ministry has done and also the gm for the various uh assistants given during the mc order
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but i just want to add that uh during the mco you know there are various groups ngo evolution trying to give assistance to disability but you see one of the things that did is they don't like the implication of the distance and the physical physical things involved so what what happened is that many of them put out advertisement or message to people ask them to apply but you see i did try to help even a few of my friends apply resistance but some of them didn't
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get so you see this sort of thing of course i expected so many of them feel let down you know because of the expectation but i think as a as a disabled i think we realize that there are many assistants given but something get it and of course like injection mentioned there are many disabled groups who are living alone or having limited resistance with a hard time bring mco sometimes even to get to clinic i myself also miss my medical appointment because i'm scared to go
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you know but i managed to get my own my own medical needs through pharmacera but i just feel like you know so but that is just my sharing a bit of my personal thing so i mean there are not that many assistants given and many uh disabled experience with no proper income so i think they have a hard time but i think we all the office doesn't so that is what i can say and i think uh this mto rather this complete is going to continue so we have to do our part
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other individually as a group to find ways to try to mitigate and to cope with the with the with epinephrine that is my what what i can what i can say and then we hope that the ngo like the pcs would have their own members through whatever means the candle and the egg has a link with the government agencies through a friend's drawer to try to assist members who may not have that means to communicate and to get assistance is what i can say and i think we have to get through our own energy initiatives and i
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think we need to continue with the work of the ngo and that is our responsibility as a as leaders of the ngo you know to try to assist those who need help this is what i can say on my part i think i'm ever ever ready to assist even with the department just to share knowledge and experience and this is what i told them yeah whatever things like uh improving the disability you know so i think there's a lot of things we can say and a lot of work to be done so you know also in my capacity as a member of the
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national council for hosting disabilities so i think this particular anyway thank you thank you and then all the best you all okay thank you very much francis that was a very uh good sharing even before mco uh swag also we engaged with satori robuta but too bad he can't make it today he was very vocal he's very very good and during mco he also highlighted about you know what um and jake kyan uh highlighted because many of them rely on
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uruz and they were you know some of them were basket and things and that's really you know loss of income so it is double jeopardy for them so i think this is where uh it is our responsibility to help each other i think we have really passed the time so uh before i conclude can i just give each one of you a one-liner for your last what is it that you want to share can we start with dr uh uh let me start with the the last one if we just go towards uh from the end do
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you have anything to share last minute and last minute for you for your conclusion there are still a lot of ways to improve uh but this is also the best time to learn from one another so in general okay thank you but please go to the library inside you must go to the library i would take place i love the canteen food and of course the view she really every time i told her that you know
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what i cannot like the library is really my place okay can i invite um if you don't mind can you just any last words from you uh before we conclude yes okay for me because i tend to forget what would you recommend is going through that what would you tell her please everybody okay cherry even your own circle your own family members sometimes they say just endure it you saying
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he will not be strong enough billy the homophobia but forever is a long period for me forever very very long period are you sure you're going to be happy are you sure you are going to like him i don't think so if he's trying to you know emotionally abused is killing you inside he didn't kill you but you will kill yourself for me i almost kill myself
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and then you know i have daughter i have daughters okay so even my daughters are afraid of their dad me myself when i asked do you miss your dad no what happiness can i give to my kids if i still live with this kind of man he even doesn't treat his daughters the way daughters should be treated the way the children should be treated so okay during my time
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usually what should you do okay yes my friend is one of the counseling my friend i have a friend reconciling so much because he thinks he thought that this friend of mine young so and also go to professional time for help and things like that yeah all right thank you thank you for santa because i i think i need to invite yeah thank you so much you are really really really a strong woman if you look at the messages out there you know
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you know thank you one problem psychiatrist no abuse you so you have to seek treatment for yourself very good message facili we did lots of haciendas in malaysia yeah so that to reach out to share their stories although you know initially when when when sophia told me we have one person who wants to share i don't know is she really willing to share and sophia said yes she's willing to share so we were very careful because i could a lot of times launching out yeah okay
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now i need to move on to where is uh laura do you want to share with us your last words before we uh conclude yeah yes i do i do have two important messages that i would like to everyone to know number one i rather really resonate with what asme said about helping others in his own way even though it's not scientifically proven or data-based uh i believe at my we also believe that each of us have we have inherent community resilience helping people with mental health issues
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is not something that only mental professionals can do there's something called gatekeeper training we have a huge uh resource of people in in our community people who are toy company people who are in the jkk gamble who have are in church who in church groups in masjid and all that all of them they can be empowered and engaged with and trained to help people with mental health issues help with uh help them in terms of listening in offering brief interventions and then referring to a
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mental health professional if we need to because if we wait for psychiatrists to be trained hospitals to come in you know clean this and all that we have to wait very very lama okay number the second issue that i i want to um address is um community resilience and regarding okay i lost my chain of thought but there was a very important message i wanted to send out in terms of community resilience we have power right as well okay thank you back to you thank you laura because i think in
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malaysia or rather in most cases mental health has always been seen as a medical issue yes oh god so the the treatment has always been from a medical perspective sometimes we forget that society has its own ability so thank you for highlighting that i think uh before we get to silawati we get uh if you can share with us if there is any last words that you want yeah [Music] foreign
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[Music] [Music] kian here in jakarta to give voices to our communities yes like to blame other people you know but without realizing that we also fail in our you know as a person as a human being and also as part of community we know how to look at it i'm always reminding myself of that yeah so okay can i invite now uh dr
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ruslawati our doctors okay yeah okay thank you thank you awareness to all so i think it's about time now we cannot lengthen like it so um so we will be good with that and then uh last last from me is hashtag antigua stigma oh all right you're really up to date okay laura you have one last point now you gather your thoughts now your second point yeah yes
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very quickly uh mental health is not an individual issue it's actually a whole society issue so when we deal with how to overcome you know how to address mental health issues we are looking at a whole society approach it's not just the job of kkm it's also the job of uh commercial didacan how are we bringing up our children to be more resilient are we valuing human development as much as we value economic development we're also looking at protecting vulnerable groups as a lot of our panelists have shared
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protecting women victims of domestic abuse children and disabled groups and even marginalized communities like um the hakopur as well as refugees so i would just like to the audience to understand that when you talk about when the health is not a personal issue it's a whole society issue and that's all from me thank you doctor thank you laura you're doing a wonderful job there by reminding us of all the things that you have mentioned just now and i think uh
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i i really don't know what to say we have a very very good response today actually about we have more than 200 registered but the mental my mental stress start to come in when we realized we only can allow 100 people so i was saying sophia where is this better then i said oh we are dealing with mental issues today take it easy calm down but before that i did not learn how to do the exercise from dr rasilawati or as i would have done that just now but i'm so
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happy to see that we have you know our friends who stayed on until now it's a one uh 1 30 order we promise to stop at one o'clock and i think we have just started this conversation uh dr rashida and uh in the position i do hope that in your uh in your capacity so if there is a a campaign that needs to be done uh please rope as many people as possible not just the people from the medical or all people from the ngos you know everybody should be roped into this uh
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this whole exercise i think mental issue is something that we need to to talk about it openly in the past it is not something that people want to talk about when we wanted to organize a discussion on mental health so i need to i was thinking how do i approach it but luckily when uh sorry i don't know sarima agreed because she has a way of doing things you know she she she's very popular in some niger when she discussed this she was more because this one was more official
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ngo not because so basically i'm very fortunate to have people like her uh laura for sharing and then francia facienda uh thank you so much kian thank you so much and then uh side and then dr rasilawati and then all the others did did i miss anybody here sofiane so i know i passed it to you sophia as the as the head of department
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thank you so much to all the participants uh who participated in our project today and i do apologize for the technical glitches that we have today but that's part and parcel of life i guess so i pass it back to you sofia we need to conclude um [Music] [Music] [Music] thank you thank you thank you to all your members thank you thank you thank you very much now okay thank you
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