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[Music] so this is a spot where we had some evidence that might have elevated levels of radioactivity and now we're just gonna come up with some places to be able to take some samples and i get closer down into this pit right here it sort of buries the needle and that's what it has me interested wondering what we might be seeing down here considering what you know about the site
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do you think north county can really be cleaned up completely i think that if you have widespread radioactivity that's kind of been moved around by floods and other types of you know natural events it could be a pretty big problem [Music]
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so [Music] oh there you go [Music] no honey i don't really want you to do that right now i do um can you can you guys go downstairs and play why don't you want them out
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i there's a weather pattern coming in and i know that it's gonna stink either tonight or tomorrow and i really don't want them out there um you know some of this you can smell some of this you can't and it's just it's not something that i'm going to take the chance on which is sad because it looks beautiful out there we just cut the grass it would be a great afternoon perfect temperature for kids to go out but you know it's one of the things that we think about living here we watch the weather not for rain not for the severe weather but to figure out what's going to happen
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with the landfill or try and predict how it's going to be [Music] it's a shame isn't it beautiful neighborhood nice park for kids to play when it isn't stinking that's how it is down here we're kind of hidden back here behind this hill but it doesn't stop that stench one bit
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we didn't hear about the radio activity until the stink of the landfill started i guess if it wasn't for the smell we no one would have known about the [Music] radioactivity [Music] we are directly across the street from the landfill there's no getting around it we're less than a thousand feet two days ago in the evening time that's
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what my smoke detector was doing and my carbon monoxide was doing which notifies me if i need to get inside and close the doors even tighter and put towels up against the bottom of my door you see that lump my dogs all of them have a lawn and then these strawberry things we don't even know what they are he has them all over and they come up look they just appear and they turn into these really super bad sores he's got all these and they just
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make him so miserable he just tries to do the best he can [Music] thanks for coming this morning to neighboring departments we've got this class it's going to be on monitoring nuclear events that's going to be given by the uh seventh civil support team it's a four segment class and they decided to go and include first responders because we're gonna be the ones going in when everybody else is bailing out i'll turn it over to the guys now to start this class all right
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you're gonna see a d-ring to the side that d-ring you turn it it opens up that battery well no uranium is in the ground is it not it comes from the manhattan project that's right the decay product of uranium is radon what's the problem with radon say it again it causes cancer causes cancer is a better emitter and if it gets out how is it going to be in missouri to contain people in san luis area it's going to be tough now like those
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people walk around with all the stuff on them on their cars and their goods take some of that material elsewhere and spread that problem that's where it was going to become tricky first i got a fire underneath the ground then i got radioactive material underneath the ground that may be breached by this fire danger zone time to get out if you could perform a rescue at that point i would please don't leave me behind don't leave your buddy behind uh but it's not a time to decide what do we do now please back out that's the unfortunate thing is this all happened in a metropolitan area it does not belong in a residential
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slash commercial municipal populated suburban area in the state that it is in right now and has been for the last 40 years let's fix it let's not just leave it sit out there if this encroaching underground smoldering event reached where the radioactivity is located in the incineration of materials very small particles can be released and those particulates can be contaminated with
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the radionuclides what's going to be carried along with the smoke particles are particles of thorium particles of radium you know sometimes particles can be carried five six miles away from the site where it's burning [Music] you know i have my escape route planned i literally do i have my grab bag i have it in the car have a little emergency kit and we go that way the lincoln fill is that way we go straight down the street we make a left and we go straight hello hello megan
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we have our questions set up for tonight you guys want to go through them all real quick and see what we have so far the epa has always said that the isolation barrier is the contingency plan and now that the fire could be moving into the north quarry what does epa's plan b uh if the isolation barrier isn't going to be able to be installed in time to stop a smoldering fire once it moves into north quarry i think we should phrase it like that what is your contingency for the contingency plan that is the barrier right you know um do you remember what the date was
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that the epa called for the barrier it was last summer right it was so they had a year to get all the testing and data that they needed to figure out if they even could or could not do this barrier and they haven't they've wasted a year let's write that one down and the million-dollar question is what happens when the fire meets the waste no it's the waste that's right that's right i think we really need to hammer that home when i met karen nicol she had already created a facebook page and there were maybe about a hundred or so people on it
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i joined we hit the ground running we created just moms because we were told if you're going to organize and you're going to host public meetings you have to call yourself something and we're like well we're just moms we're like we're just mom's still st louis yeah are you going to a meal right now yeah in a minute i gotta go i'd rather be home with you guys yeah but it might be important stuff that's right there'll be lots of important stuff that's why god made meetings so i got
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oh that's really actually sad it's why god made meetings all right dog look out look out let him in let him in thank you okay i gotta go i love you oh so chilly is that my dress yeah man i don't even have time to try it on okay well [Music] he's invited to his first birthday party oh you're going too look it's right there no this is quinn's oh oh quinn's invited to his first birthday party okay bye-bye i love you too bye boys
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god i feel my anxiety rising i hate that literally like every time i come to the stoplight if i'm on my way to one of these meetings my anxiety level i can just feel it start in my stomach and i'm like so much rides on these meetings it's like do or die literally
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[Music] i think i'm ready evening everybody i'd like to call this meeting to order please we have the army corps of engineers make a presentation this evening about radioactive safety levels all right i just want to say thank you everybody for your time uh we appreciate the chance to come out here and talk a little bit so we have a lot of data and a very good understanding of the health impacts from radiation at very high doses what we don't really
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have is any good data on low levels of exposure and what the harmful effects might be this equation right here is just sort of a simplified example of how we calculate risk um when we actually input these parameters we try to use the conservative assumptions for well how much could a human being conceivably inhale in a day can i just clarify i i just a small question you said there are no what'd you say there's no good data on low level exposure correct so what are these risk models based off of
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risk models are based on data from like atomic weapon survivors from industrial accidents and things like that where are the health studies anywhere that show that if i build my home on nuclear weapons waste what happens to my kids 30 years later i think you have to understand in terms of westlake and what we're dealing with and the potential of this fire hitting it and letting it out you guys could be wrong okay i don't want to interrupt you doug but i'm mary peterson with the environmental protection agency and i'll i'll take a stab at this as best i can um so what joe was talking
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about was how uh we do risk assessment okay it's not based on statistics okay it's not based on actual cases of cancer it's based on a probability that people could have an increased risk of getting cancer okay mary i want to just pick up on this there is a report about the progress of the fire now we have concern that these particles can become airborne if they're hit by the landfill fire the rate the fire has been progressing i understand that these things take time
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but uh i i don't think there's been conclusive evidence of the movement of of the ssc that's my understanding is that there are differing opinions on that we've heard the epa say that it's planned for the fires the isolation barrier but the radioactive wastes have not been properly identified the epa currently doesn't know where they're all at so what is the contingency because you guys are in charge of the radioactive waste and you make it sound as if you're not going to do anything until the fire is at the doorstep and that's not
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comforting to a lot of the folks here we're not waiting until it's at the doorstep we're on a timeline okay to make a decision regarding an isolation barrier uh within the next couple months and then the 14 to 18 months is the time frame for the design to be completed it just it would have been nice if it was done two years ago but it's extending the length of this and it's excruciating to this community i guess with what you know already how many of you would be willing to buy a house right near this particular site i wouldn't have any qualms with regard to
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radio activity contamination oh and i actually have quite a bit of family in this area so not not right in bridgton but fairly close st charles neighbors yeah i mean you can't tell me that you would buy a house in the backyard of this landfill i don't believe it i don't believe anybody here would have the guts to admit that they wouldn't want to live here yeah it would be nice if we could schedule when the stench is coming rather than abruptly being awakened in the middle of the night because you smell the crap coming through your windows and you're thinking what the heck am i dreaming yeah i'm living a nightmare i have something to say
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do you have a question about aristocracy i have something to say yes i was born and raised in spanish village in 1971 to 1977. i buried my 12 year old daughter to a glioblastoma brain tumor i have three other children at home sick and you want to live here you honestly want to live here tell me do you because i can't physically bury another child okay i
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i can't and you tell me you want to live here [Music] [Music] 918 here big 550 ktrs joining us now is russ nockey vice president of communications for republic services your company owns the bridgeton landfill
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which has been in the of the news yeah i just want to leave your your audience with uh with this point bridgeton landfill is safe it is in a managed state we're going to continue to manage that reaction and eventually it will self-extinguish it would so the fire will just burn out naturally eventually we believe that it'll self-extinguish before it gets to the nuclear west absolutely russ nike vice president of uh communications uh thank you for your time thanks for having me [Music] [Music] really i i have to say i'm really
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excited to be here this is a good fight this is a really good fight so one of the things you said is you didn't have any training well guess what today's your lucky day and you have to take all of the beliefs you once had about how change happens and just throw them out the window so don you want to start hi my name is dawn chapman and i'm just a mom um i have three kids this is not a career choice it's not where i thought i'd be right now um in fact i got a little emotional
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cause i can't it's not the fact that lois gibbs is here i think it's the fact that we need you sorry i'm crying uh we all take turns crying people don't see that that we really are just moms and we're scared well i call myself the accidental environmentalist you know it's a story of literally thousands and thousands and thousands mostly women across the country who never thought they would be and then blah
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just pass the word around nobody we're not going to do anything violent we're just going to keep them in the house nothing more than anybody barricade the doors okay good enough and don't let them out okay piss a word officials are being held hostage at the love canal homeowners association's headquarters people there stirred up by an announcement that residents chromosome damage may be linked to toxic chemical exposure if we do not have a disaster declaration wednesday by new
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then what they have seen here today is just a sesame street picnic [Music] oh president carter will sign the pact committing 15 million dollars in federal funds to buy up the homes of love canal residents i want to recognize the grassroots leader of the love canal residence lois gibbs without her impassioned advocacy and disagreement might never have come to pass there must never be in our country another love canal thank you very much
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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] it is possible for you to win what you want but it's not possible to win it all at the same time it's a long-term short-term thing and you have to be disciplined about what you're doing and so in order to set those goals you need to figure out goals for what and really put together a plan of action [Music] [Music] [Music]
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do you think beavertail still has that little park there dad well i'm sure the piece of ground is there whether or not it's been maintained i would have no idea but that's where you guys used to cross the creek was down there off a beavertail all the time mm-hmm now here's our old house right here on the left oh my gosh look at our bushes oh my god our porch is falling apart our fence is falling down remember when we first moved in this was just a natural creek there was no
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concrete no sides no fence and this no you just climbed right down to it when they did this the kids couldn't cross the creek anymore usually i'll just climb down and climb over you know sam and anita they're both passed away from cancer on the corner down there the clark's over here on the left three people in that family died of cancer including two children when they live there going across the street he has cancer i mean
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just right here in this street there is a lot of people who have passed away from cancer oh my goodness you could still climb it not as pretty as i remember the concrete starts right there doesn't it yeah wow so kids could still crawl through this creek here yeah if i had a dollar for every time i crossed that creek
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it was the spring of 2011. i got on facebook in order to reconnect with people from high school and we all immediately started noticing that so many of us were sick as you look through the yearbooks you can see there are a lot of people who are no longer with us who passed away of very bizarre cancers [Music] because at first we thought maybe there's a problem with our high school maybe our high school has something in it when they built it that is causing health problems
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but when i started finding out that my grade school friends who went to a different high school were battling the same diseases it became very eerie i realized wait a minute this is not some toxin or whatever in that high school it's much bigger than that now in coldwater creek meandered all through our neighborhoods it is the dividing line between the school districts
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we've discovered that the department of veterans affairs officially recognizes around 21 cancers associated with exposure to ionizing radiation and compared that list to what we had we had all of those cancers every single one we then took all that information and made maps the first maps were extremely alarming i started color coding different issues with people so if i could see is there any kind of rhyme or reason
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to the dots and what what is this what do we really have here what's happening it's healing up so beautifully those are all my major i guess jonas's cancer is in the soft tissue behind his sinuses so it's inoperable ionized radiation is one of the reasons for ewings so um i think that's a a big indicator with what's going on with cold water creek
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over the summer it started like right here and my face started becoming numb and my jaw started to lock up a little bit and that was uh the summer of 2011. it was around my 13th birthday right at the end of school to about mid-summer and then around mid-summer i think it was like july 4th that it actually like hit and uh i went to the hospital and stayed there for like two months
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you can close your eyes too if you want yeah are you sure do you need anything um okay i think i might take a nap okay i believe that i was poisoned by the creek and the nuclear dumping that went on there and that my son inherited this kind of disease from that
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my neighborhood was a hot spot and the children who were raised there now having very sick children my sisters three of us have had children and each of us has had one very sick child i'm really grateful to the people really looking into this because i don't have time to do that my life is invested here and trying to help my son get through this we anticipate going home with hospice care
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if we make it out [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] step one that's angered me and kept me awake at night in nightmares is that all the basements of my childhood friends homes were flooded with thorium 230 water in the 1970s and 1980s and people live in those houses what are we gonna do to get in those houses to test those
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basements what do we do about that so crux of the meeting with the army corps is to update the public with where are they at on their testing and the remediation just in st louis alone they've already taken out 1.2 million cubic yards of contaminated material right now the places where they found it is in the embankment levels of coldwater creek which are you know the wall areas below above the water line i think the most important thing for people to know is what's been cleaned up and what hasn't
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and then who's sick thank you everybody for coming out tonight the formerly utilized site remedial action program foose rap with the corps of engineers is going to be our first speaker they're going to give us updates on this cleanup project and this has been ongoing for a long time began in the 90s and we're here to make sure everyone knows it's still going on and what progress is being made why wouldn't we have signs along the creek i mean i think that has to go on somebody's agenda what's your sign going to say that's
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going to say warning don't go in this creek i don't know that's good that's no that's not a bad idea because a lot of people who live in our community have no clue that there's nuclear weapons waste in this community they have no idea that it isn't contained safely somewhere and being watched over amen that's right regarding why we don't have signs up around coldwater creek to date we haven't found any contamination that would justify putting up signs it currently doesn't present immediate risk so there's no
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yes it it does present a chronic long-term risk the question is is there anybody testing houses that have historically flooded along the creek we currently aren't testing in any houses any basements you know if we're trying to protect people that would be a good way to start because if they're in their homes and they're surrounded by contaminated soil that might be one good way to start this is an environmental health disaster the legacy of the manhattan project so there is absolutely no doubt that there
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are direct and indirect risks to human health but they said there's no health risks but there's long-term risks i was like what i didn't like that at all you know what i mean i felt like they dusted over a lot i'm a sick person that is sick from this [ __ ] creek you know what amy let's talk about that what are you gonna do about that [Music]
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mallard chemical works processed uranium for the u.s government in downtown saint louis starting in april of 1942. it was in total secrecy malinkrad had this extremely valuable material from the belgian congo the richest uranium ore known on the planet it was very very radioactive much more so than the united states uranium ore the workers had to use code names they didn't say uranium
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they used terms like orange juice and so forth melanchroid purified all the uranium that went into the first nuclear weapons so st louis was really the birth of the atomic age we have this wonderful correspondence what they knew and what they didn't want others to know and that buckslap do not remove any papers from this box and says so these are so i mean it was very nice
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that dr mancuso i was very flattered [Music] okay it's confidential um gliosarcoma brain 48 carcinoma of the liver and this person was 58 bronchiogenic carcinoma page 62.
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metastastic carcinoma age 54 sarcoidosis bilateral pulmonary age 58 carcinoma age 48. melanchroid chemical works right after world war ii like in 1946 or 47 began trucking waste out to the airport site and of course going from downtown you
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know they spilled stuff along the way the truckers dumped them there and spread them out and they did it even at night and they said it was very beautiful because there would be sparks because uranium is pyrophoric it can't catch on fire the federal government decided they wanted to sell these materials that had been dumped at the airport side over an 11 or 12 year period because they were very valuable lots of
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minerals and so forth so they put ads and they did find a company called the cotter corporation in [Music] colorado they trucked just about a mile away to a place called lady [Music] avenue [Music] my father was an eyewitness that he
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recalled big dump trucks that were not covered coming and just dumping piles that looked like dirt rain water was coming off of these piles and washing into the creek [Music] then in 1973 the wastes were trucked to west lake landfill by a company hired by the cotter corporation the wastes were dumped there illegally
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[Music] i don't remember do you all remember the quarry being divided like they show it now no what no separation and it wasn't on west lake in brisbane they came up with that later on they just assumed everybody was dead you know there was nobody to tell the story about it but thank god we're here that's what i'm saying walk to the front gate or drive your car anywhere yeah no restricted area in no time i walked around the plant i worked all up there
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and tossed it all the way around picked up grass cut weeds whatever they tell me to do so did you all have any protectives no just going in like a meal now they didn't get you nothing yeah a lot of times they brought it in at night when there was less people working well they used to dump up there all the way to like 12 o'clock yeah they used to bring it in there and then they would they covered up once they got covered up man everybody drove over it they had to walk over too you could smell this stuff what the world going on here this morning yeah they said they had ground that would not
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freeze that was from that chemicals it always was hot there it was a hot spot it didn't freeze there and it could snow it was no snow there cause when it hit his mouth it wasn't nothing there stuff you didn't know how danger it was you know you just be out there working you know nobody tell you nothing and this is something how they've tried to retain the fire and how they tried to separate it to keep it from spreading and i just laughed and said how can i keep it from spreading when you have it all over mm-hmm yeah there was a smell at my house and they called me and said uh it's a pipe with
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like steam and bubbly stuff and it really smells and i'm like all right i'm on my way yeah well you see how it's flapping um you can see and there's stuff you can see the stuff coming out of it but i do think that that's clear water it looks like that's rainwater this is mr gallagher right now getting i'm sorry getting going getting oh yes i recall your name on the mdnr letter my name is robin daly i live over here in spanish i'm the landfill site engineer had problems with the flare last night i had crews work until seven this morning yeah
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so we weren't extracting the quantity of gas that we were extracting yes but there's a few compounds in here that are very odorous i call them perfume landfill perfume yeah that's what i call when you bring out the odor neutralizer you're perfuming the poison but it's not poison it's kind of like the church lady here okay is you know she's got that expensive bottle of perfume she can't smell herself anymore so she puts a little more on and she sits next to you and she's got
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so much perfume on it it's almost obnoxious okay so i call this this is kind of like my church lady all right so my job is to control the gases that are going into the air but a little yes i i'm getting a whiff of it here mr getting people are really becoming ill but i'm not i'm not a doctor i can't speak to that people are getting ill from it yeah we've seen the hall logs of uh what was dumped
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here it's just i have all the receipts it's absolutely incredible some are not even listed they're just like a question mark unknown [Music] i spent a lot of time out here december 2010 is the first time that we were aware of conditions that may be subsurface smoldering elevated temperatures elevated carbon monoxide in early 2012 or so
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we were observing the failure of some of the wells from heat the wells were starting to actually kind of topple over there were areas where we started seeing portions of the landfill drop in elevation about 15 feet or so you know that's pretty dramatic settlement over the course of a year you would start seeing cracks forming in the surface we saw cracks that were in some cases a foot or two wide we also observed odors getting out of those cracks they had a failure of part of the
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landfill gas extraction system and the areas where they had put black plastic down to try to capture some of the odors they were pillowed out you know in some cases about 10 feet up in the air know on the other side of that plastic is volatile organic compounds in march 2013 i accompanied staff from the hazardous waste program and you know there were a couple hot spots that they found they found radium-226 at the ground surface
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so stuff blow off into the air that's certainly you know one of the potential concerns okay joining me at the table robin daley a citizen activist you have become now around this issue and also russ naki a director of field communications and public affairs at republic services the owner of bridgeton landfill which is right next door so thank you for being here uh robin i'll start with you as a resident who lives how close to west lake landfill less than half a
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mile less than a half of a mile and what what have those uh last four years or so been like it's been a roller coaster ride from h e double l we don't know when we can open our windows if you open your windows then pretty soon here comes the waft of it even a simple thing is hanging christmas slides my husband had to put on a respirator i know you've heard these these issues before i'm curious would you want to live in this area it's actually spanish village and bridgeton it's a phenomenal community you know one of the concerns we have is what this hysteria is
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actually doing for bridgeton and and the future of bridgeton is there something more you could do to make people at least put them at ease a little bit well anytime i get an opportunity like this one i accept it to come on and try to talk you know with the community about an alternative perspective that's based in science the reality is the landfill is safe it's intensely monitored
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my lucky necklace yeah off well nothing wrong i have i have i have boots well you're tall enough what do you think i'll wear the boots go go for the boots you got a kicked butt anyway so go all right their new their new motto is we'll take it from here we'll take what that's it that's what they're trying to pull nationwide they're trying to do republic we'll take it from here i think that is
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so hilarious we'll take it from here i love you don i love you too mom okay give me a kiss love you okay go get a baby the attorney general filed a major lawsuit against for public services that had to do with environmental violations so the attorney general has committed to the public that the fire will never be allowed to reach the nuclear waste isn't it funny that the attorney general is the one that said the fire will never be allowed to meet the radioactive waste wouldn't you expect that out of epa's mouth yeah it would have
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it would have felt good if epa had said that but it didn't he was the first person to say it and he said it early on the epa it seems to me they're curling up in their shell they're scared no no no no no no but they don't want to do their job they [ __ ] up this size pardon me so badly that they don't know what to do you know they're not fluent anymore they're not admitting it thank you all um this evening we've got a couple things on our list
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of to do's the first is i want to talk about some glaring absence in the audience this evening um we do not have the environmental protection agency with us here this evening our last meeting there was a exchange between some of our residents and the epa there was shouting nothing was thrown but the epa has let us know that they are concerned about their well-being and our presence now that being said by superfund law
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they have to be here and i'd be willing to have a police officer stand at the door if it makes them feel happy if they don't come to any future meeting we will see that as a sign that epa is deserting us and that is in violation of the superfund law yes dawn i just really quick would like to add that when we did that meeting with epa it was in the spirit of cooperation you know they come to these meetings and we present them with these facts every single thing from the 1 in 50 terminal cancer risk to the 39 000 tons of soil that they're not
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acknowledging to the error in the risk assessment to math errors we laid it all out for them and what i want you guys to know is that when they left that room we took away from them plausible deniability there is no way using their own documents and looking at that information that they left that room not thinking there were mistakes at this site we said we want you guys from this moment forward to do the right thing you have a mandate as our epa now you go do what you're supposed to do
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so thank you dawn [Music] the mere fact that there is a fire at this site as long as it continues to work we cannot and will not stand by and watch and wait another 10 years
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while epa drags their feet and agencies continue to point fingers at each other while our children and grandchildren are being poisoned and dying just moms saint louis have traveled to dc to meet with epa administrator gina mccarthy [Music] how are you okay i'm so excited we're ready unfortunately the administrator has refused to meet
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even after receiving a bipartisan letter requesting such a meeting who else has the ability to help the victims bill gates does he holds 30 percent of the shares of republic services through his investment company cascade investments this includes 17 million shares worth about 694 million purchased in 2014 alone he has the power to convince republic services to do the right thing
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my child has been diagnosed with a rare form of alopecia environmentally triggered i go to bed worrying i wake up worrying that my five-year-old will develop cancer hey guys we meet today the moms are not going away meet today going away to mccarthy meet today the fears are not going away today we want to drop off a book is that okay i can't do that i'm sorry
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i'm sorry about that if you guys can somehow get in contact with it and maybe if we could get in contact with her we wouldn't be here sir could you give it to him would you would you take it i can't give it hi i live in bridgeton missouri uh right next to west lake landfill are you able to give something directly to gina yes i would really love for you to give this picture of my son to her okay and tell her that the moms are not going away and that we need her to meet with us today
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three months as the administrator and i appreciate your time thank you all right thank you very much thank you here do you think she'll meet or no no good afternoon uh we have a delivery for bill gates foundation on the second floor we have petitions so you don't have an appointment no no no we just was a delivery that would be great however okay okay we've been trying for like nine months to reach somebody just even my phone call i don't know never no one returns
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no one returns our emails thanks bye honey thank you for my shirt i love it thank you bye rebecca yeah [Music] now when i started i thought if we just make these phone calls here and get these people the information they need we'll be able to step back and they'll take it from here i thought
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somebody would take it because all we needed to do was show them that it was a real problem and that's not happened and nobody will take this we gotta go to quinny's conference please get shoes on oh my god okay state of missouri larry i was going to ask you about the methane in the wells in the north quarry on a bi-weekly basis okay okay that makes sense because i couldn't figure out where that would be maybe it's not up on the page so your carbon monoxide goes up i don't know that i haven't seen
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all the data yet okay i can't say that yeah hello dawn yeah the trigger lines are still the order we figure we're going to have to be back in court again the changes that need to be honey i'm talking to the attorney general's office oh the ever-changing situation we don't expect that republic's lawyers will be at all amenable i want to leave i don't want to live here anymore i've had enough of living in fear about the health effects to my family and i won't lie there's part of me that
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wishes that i could just pack everybody up and move to florida and never have to hear about the landfill again and most people i know in the community that want to get out they can't do it our property value has fallen so much that we really we can't afford to move out of this house right now concerns tonight about an underground fire in a st louis county landfill a fire that may soon spread to nearby radioactive waste the missouri department of natural resources just released a report on the bridgeton landfill and newschannel 5's grant bissell is live in bridgeton
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with what this all means the dnr says temperature monitoring probes show part of the north quarry is heating up now beyond the north quarry of course is some of the radioactive waste and that really is the major concern here the dnr is giving the landfill's owner 30 days to come up with a new plan that will guarantee the fire is contained meanwhile nearby resident don chapman feels progress at the dump has been too slow and the plan should have been developed a long time ago i want to know why in the world are we all and i mean the state of missouri and specifically epa why are we sitting back and watching
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this slow moving disaster happen in the middle of st louis county the most recent set of data that i got were showing some heat and some co that was not consistent with what it has been so i felt it was time to get back on the helicopter and get some infrared of what was going on morning matt thanks for joining us hey good morning mcgraw how bad is this there's indications that the fire is now moving through
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the neck area it's closer today than the radioactive material than it's ever been they say a thousand feet you know i think a thousand feet might be conservative but no one's taking responsibility and no one's taking the lead you talk to everybody governors senators congressmen public officials republic services they all sort of say oh this one's looking at that one's looking at it we're going to do another study who is in charge of this and who ultimately do you think is going to step in and say we need to shut it down now yeah you know your guess is as good as mine
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[Music] you heard some people earlier in the fall talking about these were activists and some other folks who were involved talking about a distance of a thousand feet or 1200 feet it's not true today it's it's 2500 feet okay well there's a lot of people on social media and as you can imagine a lot of people are listening to every word you say i i want it on the record because they're telling me one thing i want to hear sure absolutely and you know here's the difference i got to be accountable
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[Music] [Music] if a hazardous materials incident from the landfill or from an accident in the community were to occur there are two options available for a response evacuation or shelter in place sheltering in place involves staying inside the building and shutting down air intakes where possible to limit exposure to outside air
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this is the second time i've read it actually it's kind of slaps you in the face that they're having to prepare like there's no solution our chief just parked his car at target because there's no place to park wow yeah it's packed dude this may be a new normal for sure they're still coming in if everyone could just kind of squeeze together and make as much room as
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possible it would be greatly appreciated many of you probably heard for the first time about this situation because letters came home from the schools the news has been covering an evacuation plan we called this emergency meeting because at this point we have nothing in front of this fire why do we have to have all of this information in order to do something so the common sense is to build a wall because every place they test they're finding it there is no place right now to build a wall
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they don't know that they're aviation free that's right my honest opinion is i don't know that there's going to be a barrier wall i think you all have to accept the fact that there might not be a way to put a barrier wall into that situation thank you for saying it then remove it i've been here 10 minutes i've known him about this two days and this is insane this is nuts welcome to mine everything you guys saying is get the bulldozers get the nuclear weights out and move and the fire you can deal with later but they're never going to do that i don't disagree there's no i don't disagree
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welcome to the party pal i'm going to have mark dietrich come up and answer a lot of the questions that you may have about the emergency planning i just want to take a moment to explain what shelter in place and evacuation means what i would urge you to do is to create your own disaster plan for your family other than the people that are here right now no one is aware this is even existing that there is an emergency plan to have in place and that's why i'm here we won't know
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how far anything's going to reach until the event happens i mean i understand that that's not an answer that you want to hear and i apologize for that but it is the best information that is available next i moved from chernobyl sev 20 years ago to save my daughter my in-laws both of them died from cancer my aunt died from cancer my 30 years old cousin diagnosed with cancer
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my mom tends to survive my dad passed away from brain cancer last year do you want that for your children what about your life who will pay for all of those expenses for the cancer for lupus for breathing problem for asthma who will pay for that i think that the government has to be held responsible and people were elected to defend your interest and whose interests are they defending money interests you can't be quiet
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anymore [Music] [Music] this is just from this heavy rains from last night you know wednesday this was dry in the 20 plus years that you've lived here how far is that water from the creek backed up to europe
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most ever came up throughout watkins street okay so you moved in basically in the late 80s 92 92 and we had to flood 93. right so that's probably when you headed up to the backing up to the back door right yeah well they started purifying uranium for the manhattan project i read that from the defense department and may i make a remark yes my wife and i are cancer survivors i probably do today okay when i moved to flores in 1974
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my son was three years old and he has stage four appendix i know it's not easy [Music] do so like right here is really long well listen first of all let's not let's not stretch the truth like when i
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lost my hair all of this right here was completely bald but i kept a little hairier and a little hairier you can put jackie in retirement jeffy needs to retire she's been a real pain in the butt lately she's not wind friendly don't wear a wig in the wind it doesn't work out as she lays there dead like a like a like a tired cat wow it's like happy hour cheers just to kind of this is the thing with this style she can really do a lot of really cute different things with it so i think that it might be
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time to say goodbye to the wig it looks a lot better and so now you're i think you actually look like the picture you showed her of um charlie's theorem with the dark hair when it's combed over in the front yeah it looks just like that i think i look just like charlie you look just like i know i'm gonna try to convince mike that when i get home i went this week for cancer scans and i go tomorrow for the results so i'm just going with everything's good every little thing's gonna be all right every little thing
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it's gonna be all right [Music] oh here we are again it appears that the cancer is spreading outside now there appear to be spots in the spine and the bones the brain scan is showing 13 spots is this changing my stage of cancer yes to four yes are you [ __ ] kidding me yeah you did everything and you followed
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through with everything that was said so this is not for the lack of you trying keep your positive attitude what good is my positive attitude down i've done everything every single thing it's done a lot for you are you still alive i don't have pain so stage four cancer is not curable it's livable let's put it that way it's not curable but you can live with it i know i know
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all these different types of cancers could be associated with the exposure from the site but to really say that for an individual that their cancer was caused from the site would require a huge dose reconstruction it'd be easily a 10 million dollar study okay one of our worst fears from day one was
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that we were going to have downstream down the creek stream we're going to have more radiation found and now we're finding out today officially that yes they found things so now we have a massive problem because our theories of the transport of the radionuclides downstream is a reality good evening everyone i'm joanne wade from the corps of engineers we have areas of contamination that we found along coldwater creek we found contamination at saints in park duchenne park and archer assets and
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properties while you're digging yeah the parks are currently open yes so on a windy day while you're digging children can play in the park i just answer that question they can't yes yes hi i'm matt zimmerman i'm the city manager reason why we made that decision was we were going into the summer season we have a lot of children and high schoolers who like to use that park it's a heavily used park because it's a busy season go ahead and expose the children the girl wasn't
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if we didn't have parks there then where were the kids going to go children's hospital given the additional information and the concerns expressed by people in the neighborhood we will certainly reconsider that decision hello i just like to say that when we separate the issue from westlake to cold water creek we can't do that they're one of the same [Applause] products from the west lake
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when we built new subdivisions in the cold water creek area we got the dirt from there we got asphalt we got cement and these were used in our homes our streets and our highways so how can we separate the two [Music] what's been found in my understanding is thorium-230 you know so that's some pretty nasty stuff it goes everywhere from six inches to
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five foot deep you know that's man that's just not acceptable the originated point of melanchrop where it came from took my father and this part's taken my son [Music] currently for fiscal 2017 we are in the president's budget for about 24.5 million the funding is not enough to accelerate the program and do it in a much more rapid form biggest frustration is insufficient
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funds and insufficient time [Music] people have been listening to us thinking we're a little crazy and now they're going to realize we knew what we were talking about the last four years and this proves our theory our theory
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has been that again where they found this stuff done is where it flooded over and over and over and this whole thing that makes me feel irritated okay thank you all right polite people get poisoned i i really just want to throw a punch
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we'd like to thank you all for being here and we have epa to respond to any questions that we might have agency decided based on the data we've seen based on the information we have for the site and how it relates community concern we're gonna we've told the parties to install an isolation barrier we're negotiating that order right now and our intent is to get that order out as soon as we can we're hoping this month perhaps next but again it's negotiation at this point but we
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are going to take action we are going to issue an order this year not next year this year the part of the landfill that's burning i guess the south quarry has that ever been tested for rim the south quarry has not been tested for rent no matter so i guess this is my question then how can any kind of a barrier go up if you don't test what's currently burning right now because if the rims already where there's fire the barrier means nothing well the history of the landfills does not demonstrate that rim was placed scenario two history you guys said there was no rim outside of the boundaries and now
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there is so i i follow the logic but again based on the history of the site on the history that has been wrong right why wouldn't you test it i understand that's all i'm asking i know i know are you afraid i mean to me as a resident i feel like you're afraid of the answer
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[Music] [Music] no one is sure how the radioactive soil ended up in the dense vegetation you see behind me here along st charles rock road what is certain is the epa now knows it's there my message to other moms who find themselves in a similar situation superman's not coming sometimes you you have to be your own superhero
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i was going to talk about the relocation in two different ways one is the concern of about relocation in general which is the solution that you have put on the table you know our challenge is we need to you know support a decision like that by the science and within you know the law you know this is an urgent issue here as i'm sure you're very well aware we don't know exactly how far the fire is from the waste we can't say that the waste isn't already burning i have to tell you in all honesty that i would dramatically
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characterize it differently but i do know that a robust monitoring system that we have and that we're continuing to embellish tells us what's in the air and so i think continuing to say that the radioactive waste bank may be burning now i would not agree with that in terms of what science is telling us yes at this time how far is the fire from the known radioactive waste my understanding from the measurements we've seen it's
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just under 700 feet so that's that's the understanding that's it yes can you give us a square on the bible 100 that this community is not being exposed in a radioactive place ma'am i can guarantee you with 100 from me the data i've seen and the information i've looked at i have not seen any data that's demonstrated there's a human exposure otherwise i would have the authority to take an action on that i will tell you
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that the people i represent do not want anything short of a full excavation we also would like a voluntary buyout during construction and remedy process i can't promise it's going to be full excavation i know that's what a lot of folks can't live without it has to be what i can do within the law in the box that i live and work with it's 2016 today question is are we going to be sitting in this room in 2024 with still nothing
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done at the landfill save our lives [Music]
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[Music] [Music] [Music] you know we've spent months trying to learn what we can about the situation here and also about your situation in this particular house we've received the results and and um they do show that there is radioactive contamination in the home uh we're talking about radio active isotopes like lead 210
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thorium 230 radium 226 and furthermore the scientists who have done this work are able to fingerprint the wastes that are here uh as the same material that was dumped in the in the west lake landfill the original malinkrat radioactive waste and and unfortunately your neighborhood and your home is now part of that that story and and the contamination is in the house never would have realized guessed in a
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billion years that this could possibly happen to you that just how long is this going to take will we be relocated that's what i really want because we really don't want to stay here the epa can have this house they can sell it to somebody else after they get it remediated i've already spent enough time here i don't want to be
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here any longer talk talk talk and no action they do any action it's half-ass action it's delayed action it's not even the right action it's just not right [Music] good evening council i am one of the residents
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that has the contamination from the westlake landfill manhattan project red waste in their home i moved there in 1999 i didn't know i was living and moving next to a radioactive super fund had no idea it's a big secret in st louis they don't even allow you to disclose it it's not necessary when you're buying a home i didn't sign up to live next to one and i sure as heck didn't want to be contaminated by one because epa and republic services said there's nothing to worry about we know where all the rad waste is and
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we know exactly where it is off site and it's not where you're at well guess what i'm contaminated now and i wanted you to know that i have heavily landscaped my yard since 1999. my husband and i have dug holes almost two feet deep to plant trees and other things so i mean we are really into it up to here with this stuff and now it's in my house too we've got irrefutable indisputable proof this isn't thorium that can be found in the united states it has a manzanite signature
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which is a fingerprint a dna that traces it all the way back to shinko lowboy mind in the belgian congo now there's no way in he double l i got that from anywhere but the west lake landfill because that cannot be had on these united states soil so all i can say is here's the face of contamination when we were constantly told not to worry about it my government has failed me the epa has failed me my god we're referred to as
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those people those people up there that are bringing trouble into our neighborhood by continuing the silence it creates the apathy and it perpetuates the lie and the lie continues and the homes get sold and the unsuspecting homeowners keep coming and coming and coming why my house can't be remediated you know why because the source of where it came from is still there and it still has the rad waste in it so that's my sad story i look to the council i'm looking for some help i'm looking
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for more than you know we're really sorry i i know you're all sorry and that is a genuine feeling but i've heard enough of that we are a hurting community not everybody wants to leave but i do [Music]
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okay so yes charge hello epa office the epa offices they're located here in the city hall yeah no one's ever really told me that you know that isn't that something that worked here and even that's a i don't sit here i only do this for lunch i understand but you would think that every employee would know that that's a good thing here's mr van right now okay come on this is till we want to
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talk to you hey brad hey don how you doing good excuse me come in and talk hi brad nice to meet you good to see you too hi my name is robin daley i'm uh the resident in a spanish village that has had the contamination found in her home and on her property after we've been told by you guys as well as republic services that you know where the rad waste is and you know where it's offside at but you never ever came up the hill a half a mile south of the landfill to test our neighborhoods
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he just kept us all in the dark saying it was okay nothing to be concerned about now we're living amidst it how am i gonna fix thanksgiving dinner when it's in my kitchen and you're all welcome to come on in we'd love to please leave the cameras and me and camera crew behind be happy to talk with you all thank you okay thank you so much under section 10 of stuff does this trigger imminent threat well okay and i can't answer that question let me talk with my attorney i think the first thing if there's data that you can provide us the first step is we've got to get this confirmed as an order for relocation
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it has to be part of the remedy decision but how would you not think with it laying on the surface of that landfill that it would not have been wind blown into the subdivision we have monitors all the way around have you guys seen particles at all everything's been below levels that are acceptable but there are some although but they're below levels of residential use actionable use so if you're finding levels being released from the site what does 43 years of combination of that leaving the site especially when there wasn't vegetation
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and i can't i can't practice i know where you're going i can tell you right now there's particulates by the particular concern no not that i can see [Music] he did admit something harvey that i don't know if you were aware of or not but you know those particle detectors that are around the sides did you know they're picking up radioactive particles in them no uh yeah and they have been just not at quote-unquote actionable levels [Music] no [ __ ] i i kid you not karen am i
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making it up that's what he said that's what he said baby girl this agency knows how that stuff got in her house i mean they know better they're not stupid they're not surprised by this they're surprised that somebody else found it i i can tell you right now i don't want to live here anymore i'm done i do not want to raise my kids in this home i get on zillow every night looking dream of all these houses i want just to get out of here i don't want much i just want out of here and i we can't
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afford it but for the longest time our own government has told us that our home was safe they have told us when you encounter the odor get out of it go inside that's where you go to be safe from outdoor things that could harm you all right i love you and i love you too all right you got all your dollies all right you need that only known age now all
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right well i love you very much okay come on cookie night night baby okay [Music]
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ah [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] to come to the epa tomorrow you

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