Standing Strong Under Fire: Popular Abortion Arguments and Why They Fail

Standing Strong Under Fire: Popular Abortion Arguments and Why They Fail

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every student has a story a place to be deadlines to-do lists and image to maintain friendships to grow goals to achieve but does all of this busyness add up to a meaningful life some it's a place where you go not only to see the bigger picture of what God's really doing in this world but to get a sense of where you fit in that bigger picture how can you live a bigger story in your own life than you ever imagined you would before I came to summit I was
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questioning who God was where he was what his role still was in my life often time you step into the culture doing what everyone else is doing and saying well I know Christianity is true but maybe I can just kind of compromise here and there and I'll be okay I think I had almost more of a secular worldview than I originally thought I did I think it's so hard to find truth and to be able to sit down and sort out like biblical truth because the world is just so noisy so if someone said to you truth cannot be known you're gonna ask the question do you know that's true one of the most important things for you to do is know
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what you believe and why not because mom said not because the pastor said ideas have what consequences and bad ideas have what victims one of the really big things for me was getting a better understanding on the different worldviews every successful person has a worldview and we need to know what ours is coming to summit shaped my worldview entirely I know what I believe but I had no clue what other people believed starting to ask questions is something that's been emphasized in every single
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lecture so far what is morality mean am i valuable is there an afterlife we all the same questions whether you believe in God or whether you don't the students learn you don't have to be afraid of any questions as a Christian I have a lot of questions like the answer my questions and then I come up with more questions and providing ways that we can respond to these hard questions but with love it's really a place where they're gonna challenge you to think in a world that is just shootin ideas at
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you the small group I think is possibly the most important part of this it's amazing like how so many people who don't know each other at all can just draw close together when someone shares and is vulnerable it allows you to feel that freedom the things that I carry into small groups the way that those things are healed because of the way the Holy Spirit is there it's been so sweet such a grace something that summit has taught me though it is like whenever it comes to the spiritual climber you need people near you I've been really
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impacted by the relationships on developing and truly hearing each person's story talking about the deep things in life I think can really pull people together Trust built here too because you have the same goal interested by your peers to learn how to to share the gospel with the world am I going to have all this truth that I'm just gonna hold inside of me or am I gonna start living it out in my life knowing what you believe is getting increasingly more important because you're gonna be challenged because you're gonna be pushed out this is
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preparing us for the world that we live in now it's only two weeks but it'll last me the rest of my life two weeks amazing speakers loving mentors lifelong friendships change the trajectory of your life forever welcome back everyone those of you on the live feed welcome back good to have you with us I love
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what that student said near the end of that video because it picks up exactly what summit is about the student said this summit is preparing us for the world we live in and I want to tell you about to summit students from this last summer the first student I'll call her Maggie she was from Boston Massachusetts session one I got done speaking I spent a whole day with the students giving them pro-life apologetics and I hold an
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open forum out on the porch there and we get a huge crowd every single time and Maggie waited till the end of the night when I was done with the open forum and she said I need to talk to you and at first I was nervous because I thought I wonder if we're we're going to get a personal story here because sometimes that happens at Summit but she said you need to know something I live in Boston I live around people who think I'm completely nuts
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for what I believe about Christianity and I've been pro-life since the time I was 13 and been scared to death to say anything about it because nobody ever told me how to defend it before today and I want to thank you because now I feel I can go back to Boston and tell people why I believe what I believe on the pro-life issue in session three I got done with my morning sessions on
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pro-life I had gone to eat lunch in the cafeteria I always eat with the students and I was walking back and over and the far for those of you that take a tour later on there's a staircase just off to the that way in summit the hotel and I was walking along that that staircase and I made the turn to go down the next flight of stairs and there was a whole group of students sitting there I learned from Dallas and as I walked by this girl said well we'll stop right there stop right there I need to talk to you she said these are all the
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people from my youth group and I came to summit the first night and I saw your name and I saw the topic you were gonna discuss and I told all my friends which you're here with right now that there was no way you were gonna change my mind on abortion that I was pro-choice and no way were you gonna change my mind and she looked at me and said you changed my mind and broke down right there and all her friends said yeah that's exactly what she said you want to know why summit matters because we're doing two things
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here we're either giving students who agree with us the tools they need to defend what they believe or we're reaching students who agree with us on some things on a Christian worldview but their worldview isn't complete its inconsistent and we're helping fill those gaps in their thinking and that's what I love about this video the students saying summit prepared me for the world I live in and that's why all the speakers at Summit are bought into
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this this is why we look forward to it we have shared that vision for students being equipped and that's what we want to do okay so what I want to do now is review briefly what you heard in the last session the pro-life position comes down to this a simple argument here's that argument premise one it's wrong to intentionally kill an innocent human being that's premise one wrong to intentionally kill an innocent human
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being premise to abortion intentionally kills an innocent human being abortion intentionally kills an innocent human being therefore abortion is wrong it's wrong to intentionally kill an innocent human being abortion does that therefore it's wrong now to sum up and just bring back into focus what Megan shared with us I you imagine we're about a month into the future and the holiday season is upon us and you have relatives at your home who
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don't share your Christian worldview they don't share your pro-life worldview but they're around your table how many of you have family members like that so since I'm already picking on the city of Boston let me continue to pick on Boston pretend you have an Aunt Betty from Boston who doesn't share your worldview doesn't share your pro-life worldview for sure and she's at your Thanksgiving table and between bites a turkey and stuffing she looks at you and
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says now why are you pro-life here is how you're going to answer in an minute or less you ready in fact I'm gonna have somebody tie me Megan you're gonna tie me on this all right in a minute or less here's what you're going to say ready go Aunt Betty I'm pro-life because it's wrong to intentionally kill innocent human beings and you know what else Aunt Betty the science of embryology says from the earliest stages of development you were a distinct living and whole
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human being you weren't part of another human being like skin cells on the back of my hand you were already a whole living member of the human family even though you had yet to grow and mature and you know what else there's no essential difference between that embryo you were and the adult you are today that would justify killing you back then differences of size level of development environment and degree of dependency are not good reasons for saying we could kill you then but not now now I think I got that done in under
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a minute did I Oh 45 seconds okay at 59 I may be slow on the basketball court but that's rocking it now how many Bible verses did I cite but did I communicate biblical truth yes I did and this is what today is about men and women you don't have to have all the answers oh by the way before I go any further as I was going through that one-minute defense some of you were taking notes faster than broke people at a Dave Ramsey seminar and you were thinking to yourselves I really wish I
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he had written that down somewhere I know that was a terribly bad joke it was awful it's after lunch the carbs are sitting in I have to keep you awake for those of you on the live stream Diet Coke is okay right now we're gonna give you notes of everything that was said here today in fact when you leave you're going to get printed notes but we're not going to do it until the session is over lest some of you be tempted to leave if you do leave early you will lose your salvation and I'm a Calvinist so you'll
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be in real trouble all right we're gonna give you notes that outline everything that Meghan and I have talked about in our sessions but what I want you to see is though I didn't give a long answer I gave Aunt Betty a concise answer and my friend Greg cocoa puts it real well you know what our job is is pro-life apologists it's not to have all the answers you don't need to leave here today feeling like oh boy am I gonna have every answer that could ever - every objection that could ever be thrown at me no you don't have to
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have that you know what you need to do and I think Greg is right your job is to put a pebble in their shoe ever had a pebble in your shoe when you're out hiking wears on you and wears on you until you deal with it that's your job as a pro-life apologist and so what we're going to do now is look at the six bad ways that Aunt Betty and others like her respond to the case that Megan just presented us with Megan presented a case based on science and philosophy she presented a rational argument for the
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pro-life view and it would be lovely if Aunt Betty and those like her would just follow their knees slap their their leg and say you know it's really good that you're in my life to straighten out all my twisted thinking wouldn't that be great if that's how it worked now those of you that had been married and your spouse straightens you out on something do you do that with your spouse do you slap yourself on the knee and say honey it's so good god puts you in my life to straight me out where I really go wrong intellectually no that's not what you do I know what goes on in your house
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there's a couple days of passive-aggressive silence there's a little bit of uneasiness for a couple of days and then it works itself out because that's what married couples do right don't don't some of you look at me and go no we're better than that we fix it right there on the spot all right this isn't a marriage seminar this is a pro-life seminar the truth is the people we're talking to are not necessarily going to be won over on the spot but your job is to give them something to
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think about here are the six bad ways that Aunt Betty is going to respond because she's not just going to say thank you you fixed me she's going to respond in the beauty of these six bad ways we're going to look at right now you can take almost every objection you're confronted with and slot it into one of these six bad ways people argue and it will begin to give you a framework for responding begin to help you formulate a response
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conversations on abortion are not Twitter flare-ups to be effective Twitter is who can as fast as possible say something more dumb and more outrageous and more hurtful than the last guy that's not pro-life apologist a pro-life apologist is looking for ways to give people something to think about whether he's talking to 1,000 people or a neighbor over a backyard fence here are the six bad ways people argue the first thing they do they confuse
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preference claims with moral claims and I'll explain what that looks like then we'll look at how people assume rather than argue the problem isn't that they argue usually the problem is they simply assume then we'll look at people who attack rather than argue then we'll look at people who assert rather than argue and then we'll look at people who confuse functioning as a human with being a human and finally we'll look at
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those who hide behind the hard cases those six bad ways that people argue pretty much sum up what you hear on the street what you see in academia what you'll hear in the media what your neighbor or classmates are likely to say to you it's gonna be one of these six things the first bad way is people confuse preference claims with moral claims I'm going to make two statements and I want you to tell me the difference between the two statement number one chocolate
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ice cream is better than vanilla some of you're going that's gospel truth that's fighting words let's have at it right now that guys like preach it bro let's go statement two it is wrong to torture toddlers for fun is there a difference between those two claims what is the ice cream kick claim what kind of claim is it don't say false what kind of claim is it preference it's about what I like as a subject but when
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I say it's wrong to torture toddlers for fun what kind of claim am i making then a moral claim about what's right or wrong regardless of preferences is it possible to like something and still say it's wrong of course my father-in-law who's 85 and buys new Corvettes regularly he's about ready to buy one of those new ones I will be out in California and I would love to take that thing on a joyride shooting right up PCH
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but even though I might get away with it because he's away skiing I'm not gonna do it why because it would be wrong by the way my father-in-law will not die in his sleep he's gonna die at 99 flying off a cliff on skis somewhere into the arms of Jesus that's how he's gonna go I won't do it because it would be wrong even though I'd like to drive that vette it's wrong to steal morality is about what's right and wrong regardless of preferences the problem men and women
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our culture when it comes to abortion treats all moral claims like mere preference once consider this bumper sticker don't like abortion don't have one have you seen that bumper sticker try this don't like spousal abuse don't beat your spouse don't like slavery don't own a slave anybody who said that
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today would be roundly criticized but when it comes to abortion people's IQ just drops like there's no tomorrow and they suddenly treat everything as if it's a mere preference like we're talking about ice cream not right and wrong and our job is to help them understand this years ago there was a show on television called politically incorrect with Bill Maher some of you may remember that show how many of you remember Bill Maher those of you that have your hands up we're gonna pray for you for deliverance after this but Bill
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Maher was a comedian who hated conservatives hated anything to do with religion and he would typically have a a program where there'd be three liberals ganged up on one conservative which made it about even and this particular night he had as his guest Kathy Ireland the supermodel she walks on the set bill says to her Kathy why aren't you pro-choice and Kathy says bill I used to
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be pro-choice but then my husband went to medical school and in order to stay conversant with him on issues he was studying I began to read some of the same medical textbooks he was reading for his coursework and I read in one of his embryology books that there's this principle in biology known as bio Genesis that says living things reproduce after their own kind that means that dogs produce dogs cats produce cats and human beings produce fellow human beings and I reasoned from that that if the unborn come from human
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parents they too are human beings and if they're members of the human family bill we shouldn't unjustly harm them and I believe elective abortion unjustly harms a member of the human family and that's why I'm no longer pro-choice good answer grand-slam clear the bases right you ready for Bill Maher's reply well gee Kathy that's just your view what did he just do
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did he refute her claim what kind of claim did Kathy Ireland make preference or moral moral what did he change it to mere preference as if she were talking about ice cream this is what the culture does to us on abortion and we too often let them get away with it no we have to stop and recalibrate the person we call this narrow rating the debate where you stop and say can I make an observation I just made a truth claim that abortion intentionally kills an innocent human
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being you didn't refute it you just changed it into a preference one that you liked better what's the worldview idling behind this relativism relativism relativism is the belief that right wrong are totally up to you to decide or your society but there's no objective principles that we're supposed to get in line with so you get people who say things like well who are you to force your morals on me who are you to push your morality on me who are you to say what's right or wrong when other people disagree that's
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relativism and you see it everywhere in the culture today especially on the issue of abortion well how did we respond to this we do a whole session on this with students at summit because we find that students who come to summit many of them walk in to the two weeks they're gonna spend with us absorb being a relativistic worldview that has been on them a lot of them since they went to high school and even middle school and part of what we do here at Summit is confront that
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relativistic worldview because it's a huge barrier to understanding the Christian worldview why is relativism flawed what goes wrong with it why should you never be silenced by it here's why first relativism is self-defeating I'm going to say a few sentences and I know it's after lunch I know the carbs are setting in but I want you to see if you can spot the flaw ready my brother is an only child
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I saw him on Oprah I can't speak a word in English don't take anybody's advice on anything you're in rare form as usual question authority the Broncos are gonna win the Super Bowl nope what's wrong what's wrong with all those statements they self-defeat the minute I say them they fall apart here's what happens to pro-lifers you lay out your
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case at the unborn or human you make your case from science and philosophy as Megan just did for us and you know what Aunt Betty does she looks at you and says well that's just your opinion that's just your view what worldview is Aunt Betty espousing at that moment relativism and the problem is relativism can't live with its own ground rules as soon as you say you shouldn't impose your views on others what have you just done it's like saying there are no moral
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rules oh but here's one don't impose your views on others be tolerant of everybody else this is an argument that literally commits suicide and yet millions of Christians have absorbed it they confuse preference claims with moral claims the second problem with relativism you can't say anything is wrong including intolerance mother Teresa Adolf Hitler well mother Teresa liked to help people
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Hitler well he liked to annihilate them who were we to judge but we know better do we not and finally a CS Lewis points out a mere Christianity you have never met another human being who's a true relativist because the very man who says you shouldn't cut me off in line or you shouldn't steal my orange and then turns around and says oh there are no objective moral principles has just cut the ground from underneath his own
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plate this is the problem people hear about abortion and they confuse the type of claim we're making we are not claiming we dislike abortion we're claiming it's wrong and they have to answer the claim on our terms not change it to something they like better second problem not only do people confuse moral claims with preference claims they simply assume rather than argue Megan gave you a tactic for doing this it's called trot out the toddler
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every time you hear someone make a case for why abortion ought to be allowed ask yourself instinctively as Megan instructed you to do would this work is a good argument for killing a toddler you are not using the argument or the tactic I should say to say the unborn and toddler are the same you'll do that later when you argue science rather you're showing that's the issue you agree that we ought to be allowed to have abortion for any reason you want
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through all nine months of pregnancy you should agree that the government should get out of this debate you should agree that pro-lifers like you and like me should stay completely out of this you should agree that no one should tell a woman whether she can have an abortion or not you should concede all of that if if what if the unborn are not human but they gotta answer the question what is the unborn they can't just assume the unborn aren't
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human and Megan sought out the toddler tactic is perfect for that I got a two-year-old in front of me his parents can't afford to feed him should we be allowed to kill him so the parents can balance the checkbook at the end of the month no way your reply why not well because he's a human being ah if the unborn are human like that toddler should we kill the unborn for that reason well that's different the unborn aren't human the toddler is you might be right about that you could be right about that however you're gonna have to argue for it you
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can't just a and that's what's going on how many of you have read The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn any of you in this room you may recall there's a jaw-dropping passage in chapter 32 Huck has been out on an adventure and he happens on the property of Aunt Sally and Aunt Sally sees him coming down the road she rushes out to greet him and she's mixed up she thinks it's Tom Sawyer it's really Huck Finn and she rushes out to meet him and says well where have you been my boy I've been waiting for you where have you been
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and Huck makes up a story he says well ma'am we were on a steamboat in it blew a cylinder-head that's why we were late it blew a cylinder-head and Sally says was anybody hurt no ma'am it killed a negro but nobody got hurt well that's good said Aunt Sally because sometimes people do get hurt what was just assumed about the black man that he wasn't one of us remember that question
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we started the day with this debate is about who counts as one of us there are millions of our fellow citizens that have not argued that the unborn don't belong with us they simply assume it six years ago the President of the United States on the anniversary of Roe v Wade the Supreme Court case that gave us abortion in this country celebrated that day by telling the American public that this was a day all Americans should embrace is a good thing and when you would wonder well why
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would he say that listen to his exact words quote because this is a nation where everyone gets to pursue their own dreams end quote mr. president does quote everyone unquote include the unborn he simply assumed the unborn weren't human he didn't argue for it he simply assumed it this is what you're up against and Megan is exactly right you trot out your
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toddler and you do not let them get away with making that assumption you bring it back to the question what is the unborn you're not gonna let them get away with it think about the most popular pro-abortion argument that's out there right now the dreaded back-alley abortion argument I mean watch TV for two seconds and Rachel Maddow is gonna bring this up if she doesn't Nancy Pelosi will they're gonna bring it up within two seconds well what about all those women who died in the back alleys
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of America before abortion was legal now here's the mistake so many pro lifers make they go immediately to statistics well statistics don't say that they don't say that five to ten thousand women died every year that's true but wrong answer at that moment there is fundamentally something going on there you need to address first after you say to the person you know what you and I do have a source of common ground here we both think that any woman who dies from an abortion legal or illegal is a
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tragedy we share that concern but notice if I may what you are assuming about the unborn you are assuming the unborn aren't human because otherwise what you're telling me is is that because some people will die attempting to kill others we ought to make it safe and legal for them to kill others but why should the law be faulted for making it more risky for one human to intentionally kill another completely innocent one this is the assumption that
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you have to make you have to assume the unborn aren't human or that's exactly what you're arguing on illegal abortion now you're in a position to go for statistics and I'll just tell you real quick the statistics are pretty clear on this and I'm not going to give you pro-life sources I'm gonna give you four pro-abortion sources that tell us the lie that five to ten thousand women died every year from illegal abortion that that lie is something the other side developed it's not something that we can bear out statistically pro-abortion
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source number one Daniel Callahan in his book abortion law morality and choice he is a pro-choice ER he says the claim that five to ten thousand women died every year from illegal abortion cannot be sustained statistically for this simple reason only 40,000 women of reap productive age die of all causes annually in the u.s. to say that so high a number comes from one source illegal abortion is beyond absurd source number two Christopher teats Planned Parenthood's
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own medical statistician in the nineteen late 60s and early 70s called the claim of five to ten thousand deaths a year unmitigated nonsense unquote source number three meri Calderon Planned Parenthood's medical director in the early 1960s in an American Journal of Public Health article in August of that year said that the death rate from illegal abortion is so low it's not even worth commenting on why is it so low because the widespread introduction of penicillin has made all
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surgical procedures safe and nobody is dying at the rate they used to die from surgeries legal or not because penicillin has reduced post-op affections to almost zero fourth pro-abortion source dr. Bernard Nathanson wrote a book in 1979 called aborting America before he was fully pro-life he was the co-founder of morale the National Abortion Rights Action League and in his book which is a history of the pro-abortion movement dr.
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Nathanson says that he and Lawrence later intentionally made up the figure out of thin air of five to ten thousand deaths a year and sold it to the media who never questioned it notice we cited pro-abortion sources but before we went to sources please note we dealt with the underlying philosophical problem people assuming the unborn aren't human we start their third bad way people argue they attack rather than
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argue I want to give you right now the three most important words for a pro-life apologist and I want you to write these down word number one syllogism remember that syllogism we just gave you a moment ago premise one it's wrong to intentionally kill innocent human beings abortion does that therefore it's wrong that's a syllogism word number two that is vitally
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important for a pro-life apologist syllogism anybody want to guess what the third one's gonna be boy you guys are all prophets this is amazing now why would I say that because you may remember I started our time together by asking you how many times have you been in a conversation with somebody where they just change the subject on you and did not keep the main thing the main thing Megan presented an argument for the pro-life view she argued from science that the unborn are distinct living and
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whole human beings she argued from philosophy that there's no essential difference between that embryo you were in the adult you are today that would justify killing you back then and our critics don't answer that argument instead they attack us personally oh you're pro-life how many unwanted kids have you adopted oh none there goes your whole case hold it wait a minute let's go back to our syllogism
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it's wrong to intentionally kill innocent human beings abortion does that therefore it's wrong suppose you are a cruel evil conservative and you don't give a rip about kids once they're born suppose you're that bad how does your alleged unwillingness to adopt a child justify an abortionist killing one and how does your alleged resistance to
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adopting a child refute the syllogism you just laid out could your syllogism still be valid and true even if you didn't live according to it yes or no of course the critic has simply changed the subject he has not refuted you're pro-life argument and we are in a culture today where this is what happens all the time oh you're a man what right do you have to speak on abortion you know I think right now I'm just gonna start saying in the age of Caitlyn Jenner how do you
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know I'm a man you know that's quite an assumption in today's world right but beyond that how does my gender have anything to do with the argument that I'm presenting so here's a wild thought experiment suppose I am an abortionist six days of the week I perform abortions but one day a week I go give pro-life lectures on why the
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pro-life position is true and reasonable to believe could my arguments for the pro-life view still be valid and sound even if I did not live up to them in the least yes or no yes in other words the arguments stand or fall apart from the person making them we evaluate arguments for evidence does the conclusion follow logically from the premises we evaluate them for soundness are the premises true
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if they're not true okay the arguments no good we throw it out but instead of refuting our argument they just attack us personally how does my being a man to refute the argument I just presented it absolutely does not it does nothing to refute my argument it just attacks the person that's called the ad hominem fallacy here's another one oh you're pro-life you're against all killing what about capital punishment what about war you opposed to all war
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there goes your whole case um wait a minute did our syllogism say we're opposed to all killing what did it say it is wrong to intentionally kill who an innocent human being we never argued all killing was wrong our critic has attacked us by attacking a straw man they've distorted the argument we're making they haven't refuted it we never argued all killing was wrong we said it's wrong to intentionally kill an innocent human being abortion does that
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therefore it's wrong our critic never answered that argument they just attacked us personally forth bad way argue they confuse functioning as a human with being a human in our third session together I'm going to talk about a worldview known as body self dualism but I'm gonna hold off on that for now and instead I'm going to ask you in just a moment to look around the room and stare at some people so get ready on the
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count of three those of you at home watching on the live feed if you have a child nearby grab them by the lapels yank them over and just put them right up here for the next few minutes if you want but the rest of you when I say go I want you to look ready go ahead stare at some people all right what makes us equal or if you will what makes us valuable Megan made a very good point in her session if our value is based on traits that come and go and we don't
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share those traits equally human equality is a myth are we all equally self-aware right now how many of you had coffee in the break not that decaf stuff that Satan invented I'm talking about the real deal all right if you did you're probably doing real well right now if you didn't you may be this side of comatose I don't know we're not equally self-aware in this room right now are we all physically equal in this room right now no I can tell you at age 59 I cannot play basketball like I did at age 21
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but if physical ability is what gives us our value if Planned Parenthood is right that we can intentionally kill a human fetus because it's not physically developed the way that we are if they're right that development gives us our value and you have more of it than me human equality is a myth there's one thing we share equally as you were staring at each other a few moments ago we all have the same human nature let's and go wait a minute it's afternoon don't go philosophical on me right now what is a human nature well all living
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things have natures that define the kind of things they are dogs have dog nature's your pet turtles have reptile nature's cats I have learned have satanic natures you have a human nature determines the kind of thing that you are it sets your ultimate capabilities from the earliest stages of development men and women you had a human nature you hear man nature came to be when you came to be and as Megan pointed out so well
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at the conclusion of her talk our human nature bears the image of our maker if you ground human equality in some kind of performance that we do that none of us share equally human equality is out the window now this is a key point I want you to take note of our culture loves to talk equality but cannot ground it because they ground it in things that none of us share equally we as Christians and this is something we
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drive home to summit students when students come to summit they learned the true foundation for human equality it's that we're image bearers who equally in virtue of our humanity bear the image of God it's not because of functions that come and go that we don't share equally all summit students get that drilled in their heads why because we want them to leave knowing a true basis for human dignity and equality and the secular world doesn't have an answer for that their definition of what makes this
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value valuable is all over the map traits that come and go that none of us share equally we actually have a foundation for equality by the way this is something Abraham Lincoln used expertly when he would debate the issue of slavery Lincoln's critics would look at him and say mr. Lincoln that slave differs from us and Lincoln would say so does he differ from us in ways that justify enslaving him and to quote Lincoln word for word almost
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here's Lincoln's reply you say man a is white man B is dark oh it is skin color then the fair-skinned man having the right to enslave the dark-skinned man take care by that rule you're a slave to the first person you meet with skin fairer than your own you say it's not skin color it's a matter of intellect the white man you allege has superior into to the Darkman take care again by that rule you're a slave to the first person you meet with an intellect superior to
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yours you say it is not skin color it is not intellect it's a matter of interest the white man having it in his interest to enslave the dark man take care yet again by that rule you're a slave to the first person who can make it his interest to enslave you do you see what Lincoln just did there all these arguments that people put forward to to somehow dehumanize a victim class work equally well against those doing the
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enslaving Peter Singer Meghan cited him and I agree with her one thing we like about Peter Singer though his conclusion is barbaric he's consistent singer says newborn is not self-aware fetus isn't self-aware you can kill both Planned Parenthood you're inconsistent because you want to draw an arbitrary line at Birth when there's no line that can be reasonably drawn at least he's consistent when we talk about human
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value men and women we can be confident that our basis for it stands up in the real world that we can actually say why humans matter because they have that foundation of being made in the image of the Creator final bad way people argue they hide behind the hard cases two types of people are gonna bring up rape The Enquirer and the Crusader and you're going to treat them differently The Enquirer is
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going to say I understand you're pro-life argument I'm following it but I just can't imagine telling my 14 year old daughter she has to give birth if she were raped after that because you know every time she looks at this kid she'll remember what she went through and I can't imagine telling her that you look at the Enquirer at that point and you do this you build common ground with her and you say the following you know what you're right that girl who's 14 and been sexually assaulted she suffered an unspeakable tragedy do you know how many
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times by the way I've pro-lifers when the issue of rape is brought up just go right to statistics and say 'then something like well most women who get raped don't get pregnant how about showing a little empathy here we're talking about sexual assaults can we at least acknowledge this you and I share a common thing that woman suffered a terrible injustice given we agree on that and given we agree that every time she looks at her child she may remember what she went through given our agreement on those points how
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do you think a civil society should treat innocent human beings who remind us of a painful event is it okay to intentionally kill them so we can feel better now at that point The Enquirer though not necessarily ready to come full circle is at least following your logic and at least understands the world views in play the crusader he just wants to make you look bad so I'm gonna treat him differently I'm gonna call his bluff all
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right for the sake of argument I'm gonna grant that we allow abortion in cases of rape not my position but I'll grant it for the sake of this discussion will you join me then in opposing all other abortions that have nothing to do with rape what's the answer gonna be no women have a fundamental right to an abortion okay if it's fundamental you cannot infringe on it it must be absolute in other words abortion for any reason she wants through all nine months of pregnancy why don't you defend that position rather than hiding behind rape
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victims call their bluff now one other tactic that can be very helpful and this gets back to what Megan opened us up with bringing it back to the question what is the unborn a few years ago on a flight from Detroit to Orlando last gig of the year for me I'm beat tired and I'm ready to take a nap and I'm thinking the Lord loves me because I had an exit row seat in the back of the 757 where you got 20 feet of legroom I get to the back of the 757 and
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everybody's decked out in party gear I'm thinking what's going on turns out it's a bunch of people in their early 50s going on a cruise I guess that's how they launched their midlife crisis ID no but I sit down and I've got a woman next to me decked out in party gear her husband and then the rest of the that part of the plane and her husband says to me my wife will probably talk to you the whole flight she's scared to death to fly and I made a fatal error on that flight I normally put my books in my bag and put him in the thing above so I can
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take a nap well I I had a pro-life book out and she saw it and she says all abortion all that abortions bad it is but you'll never convince me that a woman who's been raped shouldn't be allowed to have one it's like all right we're into it now I said do you mind if I ask you a few questions no I said how many humans are involved in a pregnancy that results from rape two or three she looks at her husband and says two three
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two three two three three three I said you're right you got the rapist the mother and the child yeah three I said let's talk about how we ought to treat each of them her husband's like honey this will not end well for you I said what about the guilty rapist should we kill him no I'm against the death penalty it's horrific fair enough how about the mother should we kill her for the rape are you crazy that's what those Islamic countries do that's barbaric
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I agree how about the child should we kill the child for the sin of his father she said I feel like you're cornering me I said I'm not cornering you the argument is cornering you and she said I don't know I need to think about it and I backed off by the way when people say they need to think about it do not put the dagger in back off and let him think about it your job is to let the pebble take its toll put that pebble in their
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shoe give them something to think about that is how we function is pro-life apologists who are also ambassadors for Jesus Christ let the pebble do its work we're gonna take a break and we're gonna come back after the break for our third session and I'm really excited about the third session so we'll see you in just a few

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