The Palestine Pod - Full Ep. 09 - Check the Paperwork! #SaveSheikhJarrah

The Palestine Pod - Full Ep. 09 - Check the Paperwork! #SaveSheikhJarrah

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man that video of the settler jacob it's not even me that's what he said he's standing in their yard it's easy to get mad at me right sure it's easy to get mad at you you're stealing my house everybody starts hashtag when i saw that video i was like no hashtags like we're done with the protests this woman needs a gun one of the main ways that palestinians remain attached to their land in their homes is by carrying their land dates they very rarely talk about the economic
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consequences of the settler colonial project in palestine that benefits from militarism and capitalism and all of these repressive ideologies and this extends beyond palestine that's why the may day solidarity is so important palestinians are owed billions of dollars palestinians should be rich but they are impoverished by the extraction of wealth
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from their community hello and welcome to episode 9 of the palestine pod the weekly podcast where a palestinian-american lawyer and a jewish american comedian break down the latest headlines dealing with palestine and bring you stories commentary and interviews with the aim of spreading awareness about the palestinian struggle for justice and equal rights i'm one of your hosts laura e you might know me from instagram as guys and girl and i'm joined by my co-host mikey b what's going on y'all my
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name is mikey beyond tiktok michael scherzer on instagram and mikey intifada if you saw that human rights watch report and said it's going to be a tough day at the office today that's great that's really good okay i like this one yeah so the zionist apartheid regime spent easter by assaulting detaining and impeding the worship of palestinian christians visiting the church of the holy scepter which hold two of the holiest sites in
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christianity the site where jesus was believed to be crucified then buried and resurrected this comes after fundamentalist zionist settlers have broken into al-aqsa numerous times one person who was recently arrested by jerusalem police confessed he was looking for people to victimize because he's quote a fan of provocations and wants to quote disturb peace and cause bloodshed he also confessed to quote enjoying terror attacks against
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arabs anyways all of this has been buttressed by an ongoing campaign to burn down churches and mosques by fundamentalist zionists lastly 44 people were trampled to death at a jewish religious gathering during the pandemic man that video of the settler jacob for that dude of course a dude is so clearly from brooklyn from the united states
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and it's like pretty scary just the way that he is just like look it's not even me it's not even me that's what he said he's standing in their yard yeah talking about it's not even me it's easy to get mad at me right sure it's easy to get mad at you you're stealing my house jacob the palestinian woman knows his name the way she knew and said don't steal my house it's like she's talking to a child that she knows
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but like can't properly discipline right and he's like if i don't do it somebody else will and she's like no what is this premise it was truly bizarre that he said the quiet part out loud in the open because usually they're just like ah you know we came upon empty land or they they wanted to leave or now like mikko said they've dropped the facade it's
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look if i don't do it someone else is gonna do it right and that is a reason to engage in fascism because if you don't do it someone else is gonna benefit from it there's so much more i want to say about jacob i want to pen a letter to jacob the settler something like that do you have but does that have to be read on the podcast you know what i mean like i know like i feel like you could write that that's a that's an instagram story
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[Laughter] he's not he's not going to read it i think we can get it to him second of all i feel like there's something there's something like what if we start a campaign jacob like everybody starts tag hashtagging jacob settler letter letter to jacob the settler you know i mean literally that's not what i was thinking when i saw that video when i saw that video i was like this woman needs a gun
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the law is if somebody is on your property you can shoot him dead if they're if they are presenting a threat to you and your family and what is a greater threat than a guy who shows up and he's like hi i'm moving in yeah that's what i thought i was like no hashtags like we're done with the protests that [ __ ] was so crazy where else would you allow anybody to just walk into your house and steal it from you you wouldn't in texas you'd shoot him dead same thing in palace in texas exactly exactly and anybody who wants to say that it's
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different is playing by a totally different set of rules i mean zionist logic man it's just zionist logic it's its own form of logic it just operates according to its own rules and its own rules are whatever we say is the truth and it doesn't matter how absurd it is and or how much it defies conventional notions of what is rational and reasonable and and logical that's what zionist logic is and you are supposed to just succumb
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to its whims if you are the object of its focus like you as a palestinian just have to go with whatever it says there's nothing there's nothing you can do oh i just have to take it if i don't take it somebody else will and she's like no nobody has to take it and it was interesting the way in which that they switched languages right it went from hebrew to english to a little bit of arabic it was a very strange cultural exchange that highlights
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what's happening every day in palestine and specifically right now in east jerusalem there's a video that was put up by jewish voice for peace that basically describes the vision of the lead settler in the ethnic cleansing campaign and he's talking about how this house belongs to jews and we won't just stop at this house we're going to this neighborhood in the next neighborhood and he thinks that it's a continuation
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of the zionist project and sure it came at the expense of arabs but so did the institutions of government everything in israel has come at the expense of arabs and so this is just a continuation of that tradition there was a decision from the court because you know these families all have to go to israeli court argue that they should be entitled to stay in their homes yeah what kind of arguments are they making said but what when you appear before court what do you say oh i own the property oh
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so who cares yeah yeah exactly oh paperwork okay this is a court that house belongs to some random zionist now kim posted this the supreme court of israel says that both sides should come to an agreement whereby the families should admit the settler organization's ownership of the land and pay rent to the settler organizations what super duper what that's israeli court for you can't say they're not fair
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hey you ever appear before a court try and argue your basic human rights you ever do that one you ever say your honor i'm a person i deserve to live in my house that i like it should be open shut it should be an open shot case i have the i have the paperwork right here oh no no no no you don't you won't be needing that in fact let me hold that let me let me take that up off you player what's crazy is one of the main ways that palestinians remain attached to their land in their homes is by carrying their land deeds
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you know the palestinians that have been expelled from the 48 territories carry the deeds to the land on which their homes and you know of course israel will say oh well this land you know we've we've taken this land because what israel did was they passed a bunch of laws following 1948 to say that all the land which was now unoccupied belongs to the state so they basically expropriated all of the palestinian land without offering any compensation in this legal way but no palestinians still have their land aids
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they sell their landings they still have their keys and they're like we're going back to our houses you you can't just take our houses you can't just take our land that's not how this works not only that but they were never paid for any of this stuff we very rarely talk about the economic consequences of the settler colonial project in palestine we very rarely talk about the billions of dollars that palestinian economy and palestinian people were deprived of as a result of being dispossessed from their land yeah i'm no property lawyer but it seems like the state probably owes
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palestinians some back pay and palestinians are all landlords yeah like a lot of back pay like if if we're talking about who owes who rent right i think i think the money should probably be flow in the other direction yeah absolutely but that's the thing that's the thing with zionist logic it inverts all of logic on its head yeah you know how like new york and new jersey mobsters intimidate people by hanging them off a bridge by their feet
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right that's what zionists do with logic exactly they say oh you've got that's that's good logic you've got there let me let me take that to a bridge real quick and hang it upside down and let it die oh we dropped it whoopsies whoopsies yeah no but seriously the steve salida talks about the property losses of palestinians since 1948 can be placed at 146 billion dollars and that lost income of palestinians represents more than 300 billion dollars
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a palestinian cartographer and an expert on jerusalem by the name of khalil tsufakji actually traveled to ankara in turkey in 2010 to search the ottoman era archives for a document that would negate these theories of jewish ownership which of course are completely backed by absolutely no evidence whatsoever he found land deeds copies of land deeds demonstrating that pieces of land were owned by palestinian families submitted it to the israeli district
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court which promptly rejected it it's so interesting how much the israelis love paperwork right they'll give you a different id they you gotta apply for a permit but if you own the land that's not actually good enough that doesn't matter yeah and you show and you show that paperwork that goes back to the ottoman era they're like yeah no but that doesn't if you actually check the paperwork the real paperwork the real paperwork not the fake paperwork not the newly created
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in the congress of zionists in 1890 or whatever do feel the need to talk about it highlight it you know make noise about it online call any of your representatives yesterday i attended an instagram live with one of the members of one of the families whose house is now occupied this lawsuit yeah and she called for people to try to make as much noise as possible about this because at the end of the day for many of us our voice is the only
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tool that we have to take some position against this form of violence yes absolutely speak out yeah be loud make noise the hashtag and if you look at that hashtag videos that are posted almost every hour of the ongoing ethnic cleansing which is taking place right now these videos are being uploaded right now yeah the leader of the settler movement he said he wants all of east jerusalem to
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be like west jerusalem yeah and western jewish was a palace yeah and let's talk about west jerusalem west jerusalem was palestinian yes there is this idea and i don't know where it comes from somehow west jerusalem is for the jews but east jerusalem is for the palestinians but that's fine we'll take that too no all of jerusalem was palestinian until 1948. all of it was there are palestinian families who were ethnically cleansed from west jerusalem whose homes were there and who today their homes are being occupied by settlers
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last year the highest rate of settlement expansion in the east jerusalem neighborhood on record took place about 4 500 units that was last year in 2020 170 palestinian homes were demolished which resulted in the displacement of 385 people where do these people go when they are displaced that's what i want to know because they can't build a house because israel will demolish that too then they'll say that oh you don't have a building permit then they'll say well we tried to get one but you said no you denied it and then they say yeah well of course we denied it because you're not allowed to build but you
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still have to get a permit but we won't give you a permit anyway where do these people go they go live with family until that their house gets demolished do they find a way to leave palestine and then apply for refugee status saying israel demolished my house please let me come live in your country i mean what is what happens to them i don't know i saw a video of a bedouin community in the jordan valley who just continues to rebuild structures and the idf continues to demolish them and it's just like a little dance that they do
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where over 180 times i know this yeah they rebuild over 180 times and they keep rebuilding i mean i would not have the energy to rebuild my house once no you know what i mean yeah like one time one time is too much we have to understand the ethnic cleansing of these neighborhoods in east jerusalem as a part of the zionist plan to build a greater jerusalem which is going to be a part of a greater israel israel's expansionist uh ambitions
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are never ending it's never going to be enough the idea is to expand and expand and expand and take more land and more land and more land and displace more people and more people there's no there and i think this needs to be a very clear message to anyone who thinks that oh well palestinians if they had only done this or if they had only done that or oh well the israelis offered peace but this no no no no they are continuing to kick us out of our homes that we have been in for hundreds of years what do you say to
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that yeah the people who are poo-pooing the critiques of palestinians will soon feel the brunt of israeli colonization yeah their borders will not stop expanding for instance they have already taken up a military base on socotra which belongs to yemen and they're using that as an outpost to stoke tensions with iran try and destabilize the iran deal gin up
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the type of atmosphere where people want to engage in military actions the ethnic cleansing of east jerusalem is not new right it's been happening since 48 they are just continuing a process that has been in place for nearly a hundred years now one thing which we really don't talk about enough is the extent to which israel's repressive
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policies extend beyond its own borders and sometimes we hear about how yeah well israel also armed apartheid south africa and was allies with apartheid south africa but it goes even beyond that israel provides mexico with training and weapons in its counter insurgency against the zapatistas that's something that is worthy of greater discussion in the palestine solidarity circles and that is the notion that israel's repressive policies go beyond its borders and that israel benefits from militarism
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and neoliberalism and capitalism and all of these repressive ideologies and this extends beyond palestine and it's all a for-profit system right it's all to extract resources and capital and concentrate wealth among a very few that's why the may day solidarity is so important because it's not just a human rights issue it's a class issue as well palestinians are owed
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billions of dollars palestinians should be rich but they are impoverished by the extraction of wealth from their community bingo that is so important that is so so so important just look at gaza in the last 15 years since the beginning of this israeli siege 16 billion dollars in losses as calculated by the u.n these are exorbitant sums
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poverty is not inevitable in gaza it is it is a creation it is a very intentional product of a very intentional policy the economic devastation that gaza faced whether it be them burning crops or targeting fishermen they are squeezing the economic opportunity out of the people of gaza it is a deliberate campaign of bds
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but aimed at gaza yeah and not for a legitimate reason right no of course but it just underscores how hypocritical they are because they don't mind boycotts divestment sanctions threatening people they have no problem with that when it's not aimed at them it's actually one of their modus operandi they will freak out though if you aim those same policies or actions at them yeah how dare you zionist logic
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palestinians have to go to great lengths to try to convince anyone of our humanity when it's obvious that we're human like what we're saying is not twisted we're not twisting logic you know what i mean but when palestinians say we're human treat us as such well you know we can have debates about it right so maybe the way to liberate palestine is to say that god actually changed his mind and that
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doesn't apply anymore i think you're gonna get a no take back situation somebody who's selling you bad weed you know what i mean the second you hand it to him it's like ah no no takebacks that's you gave me the money so although that being said my um my brother-in-law his father who was in gaza his whole family is in gaza still and uh we communicate with them pretty regularly he you know you talked to him the other day and he says to you i'm sure that israel won't last another 10 years he's like it's on its last leg
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he's like they're timing and it's coming very soon i hear that from many palestinians inside palestine that they are more hopeful isn't that weird it's so weird because all the palestinians in exile are more depressed like they're less hopeful about it than the people inside palestine and i just don't i mean i guess yes i agree i totally agree i totally agree i mean i don't think i mean i i don't know i hate to generalize right i don't
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want to speak foreign or say that this is a unanimous sort of thing or whatever but i i do think there is something to that where i have heard from palestinians who are in palestine that they're they have this feeling this this notion this appreciation of the facts on the ground they see the way that israel is comporting itself and they say that this is not going to last this is so unsustainable and it's brazen and i think that yes on the outside sometimes it can be easy to fall into hopelessness because
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you read about it on the news every day and it just doesn't seem like anything's changing in terms of policy especially if you're looking at it from a u.s lens where yeah we're seeing shifts in public opinion amongst people but so far it hasn't translated into a shift in actual policy towards palestine you know i mean i think about the episode we did about betty's bill and on the one hand yes it is a historic bill and it is the first time that a bill of this scope has been presented in congress
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you know we are at the point where we are giving israel more money than we've ever given it before and so the fact a bill like this could be posed at a time when u.s policy is what it is yes it's historic but at the same time we need so much more than that it's like we didn't have those on the books already no we shouldn't be doing that thought of that in 2021 and it still only has 15 co-sponsors yeah that's tough only 15 congress people think it's a good idea
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that you shouldn't kill palestinian kids and steal palestinian land i mean come on you know so on the one hand i'm like yeah it's historic and i list all the reasons why and then i have on the other hand i'm like this is very dressing yeah what do we have to do so-called pro-p zionists are taking up the ethnic cleansing of east jerusalem as like an issue to stand up for and say that this does not represent israel and this is not the zionism that they support and this is like right they try and
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marginalize the people screaming death to arabs in the streets of jerusalem as like a fringe group but the reality is that a majority of the zionist population in israel agrees with those policies of expulsion you know dehumanization of palestinians so all of that is to say that i think slowly there is a shift even among zionists
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that you can't outwardly support zionism as you once did right you have to condition your support for zionism to say oh no no i'm a cultural zionist or i'm just a zionist in the progressive sense of the term and that is a clear concession in their argument which they almost never do so it shows that even internally their
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ideology is crumbling i think it's tough to be a liberal zionist these days because israel's not making it easy for them you know yeah um at all it's literally no uh it's fine uh i'm still zionist but yeah this one this this thing sucks okay no this is not zionism no no this is not zionism either uh demolishing this woman's house that's the zionism well what the hell is zionism right right you know what i mean what's left no no no no zionism literally just means like the establishment of a jewish home for
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jewish people in our ancient homeland and it has nothing to do with palestinians even though that's the land that we're stealing the thing is is that if you all you have to do is go back the early zionist leaders they are so express and clear in the fact that they were going to be committing ethnic cleansing the fact that they were going to be uprooting palestinians yeah it's a lack of self-awareness that is truly alarming
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like there are zionists who will get on the internet and they'll be like i want to genocide the arabs and i can honestly respect that more because they're telling the truth right they don't put on this charade where they're like i care about palestinian people but i'm also a zionist that i don't want to hear that anymore i do not want to hear that at all the zionists were saying yeah we're settling the land is morally just just like all these other examples of very moral and just settlements that have occurred throughout history
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all of these zionists referred to us at the time as indigenous and as native they saw themselves as settlers coming to settle land where there were indigenous people where there were natives that they were going to have to deal with and they were going to have to get rid of some way these are these are the early zionists so anyone who calls himself a zionist today and and believes the palestinians are not native you don't have to look at all the cold hard facts that disprove that just go to your early zionist leaders in key moments admitted this reality listen to your daddy
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yeah in other words i'm gonna put up a picture of jabatinsky because that dude looked like the crypt keeper that dude looked like a reject ninja turtle without a shell ah so great dude looked like he was so much stuff he would charge you to cross a bridge i don't even know why that's funny because he looks like a troll he looks like a troll okay also i'm just i'm just very good at comedy is why yeah
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i'm like that is funny but i don't know why we're still number three in bahrain oh yeah i didn't care about our projects am scared to visit [Laughter] you should be because they do tend to arrest dissidents there yeah but shout out to the bahraini people who are doing their best to resist i have some friends that are in bahrain that are bahrainian that are like you know towing this sort of tight rope between like palestine activism but also
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trying not to get assassinated i'm not gonna lie that sounds like everyone who does this work that's did you describe my life right there you just described everywhere yeah they do tell me about the difficulties that they face and it doesn't seem very fun i mean when they have they're organizing meetings about how to support bds in bahrain they're they're scared they're scared about even holding the meeting yes they still do it anyway good for them yeah it's tough palestinian legislative elections were
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postponed by president palestinian president mahmoud abbas listen to this there's a total of 36 political parties running in these palestinian legislative elections 36 parties that's a lot for the most part yeah award for the most political parties 29 of those 36 parties are independent and a total of 1 389 people have been nominated including 405 women great great the candidates demographics
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show that there's quite a large participation from younger candidates 38 of the candidates are between the ages of 28 to 40. which is great and 22 are between the ages of 41 to 50. you know the the reality is is that any time that palestinians have had leadership that was revolutionary in nature they were all assassinated they killed them all the only people that israel engages with are people that pose absolutely no
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threat to israel which is why mahmoud abbas has been in the situation the position that he's been in for decades like how long has this guy been around he's been the chairman of the palestine liberation organization since 2004 and the president since 2005. so i'm not good at math but that's like 16 years yeah that math checks out he said that the election would be indefinitely delayed the first palestinian national elections in 15 years would be indefinitely delayed we have decided to delay the legislative elections until the participation of
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jerusalem residents is insured abba said in a statement yeah i mean it just sounds like the elections are going to be delayed forever i mean just they're just there's no because because the thing that will make them not the thing that will make the elections happen is a condition that israel is responsible for so then that makes no sense will never happen it will never happen because also why is he threatening it's almost like he's trying to threaten israel but it's like israel has no incentive in the palestinians having elections at all it makes no sense
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yeah it's not a great cover story my guy not at all i read that the elections were delayed because the results wouldn't be favorable to his party well that's honestly what i read they were just like look we know we're going to lose if we let the people vote so what we're doing is cancel voting we're going to make a condition that is impossible to meet i miss like the palestinian revolutionaries i miss hassan
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i miss all those guys in the 60s and 70s talks i've never been inspired by anything the guy has said that's so depressing yeah but i think it speaks to the pacification of a native population right native people knew not to speak out because they could be murdered they could be disappeared people are still disappeared to this day black folks had malcolm x and martin luther king jr and numerous other people as well but as far as national
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figureheads those were the two faces of popular black liberation they were both assassinated only one of them has a day commemorating his activities right and it's the one who wanted non-violence right there is a commitment to praising non-violent resistance while criminalizing violent resistance and actively assassinating anybody who
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engages in violent resistance yesterday was also may day which is obviously a international day of solidarity for workers and a day that we resist the capitalist structures that exploit our labor i remember when i was in college every year from a day we organized walkouts from class to protest the u.s led wars in afghanistan and iraq paris was popping off yesterday i saw uh i know lion was a lion was at
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the mayday protest and he got gassed yesterday yeah is he okay i was texting him and he was like yeah i've just got gassed we're coming home in portland they tear gas the city for like 30 nights straight because we live in a police state and there have been studies that have been done about the effect that it's had on reproductive success in that area seriously yes listen to this hundreds reported abnormal menstruation after exposure to
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tear gas study fines a scientific paper expands on social media reports of sudden onset periods spotting and other menstrual peculiarities during last summer's protests in portland oregon yeah that's insane some point last summer there were too many reports of protesters who had experienced abnormal menstrual cycles after being exposed to tear gas for brita tor grimson o'gerio a nurse researcher at kaiser permanente center for health research in portland to dismiss them as coincidence a preschool teacher reported that if she
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inhaled a significant amount of gas at night she'd get her period the next morning that's so bizarre well the thing is is you're not meant to inhale chemical gas every day um as a human being right right right and other portland theoretically police aren't meant to just use tear gas any time they feel like it right and they do this in palestine the idf uses us-made canisters of tear gas that they use all
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the time just for fun you know they throw it at people while they're pranking they also talk about in that article how they first noted issues with tear gas and menstruation during the arab spring when an insane amount of tear gas was used against people all over the arab world this is the first study to document the longer term effects of tear gas exposure in a large population it's pretty revolutionary work i mean think about all the times that tear gas has been used throughout history consistently
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against populations and what that might have meant for the effects on those populations reproductive cycles that's crazy yeah they are engaging in eugenics oh whoa a molecular biologist in france has been investigating similar questions since french protesters began reporting menstrual irregularities because for those of you who don't know for over a year people in france were protesting the government the giles movement the yellow vest movement they
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were protesting everything from increases in gas tax to the general economic situation to really it was it was a sort of a middle-class movement that was that had an uprising against the upper class in paris so they were protesting every week they would be met with a heavy police presence and violence tear gas many protesters lost
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their eyes fingers they were shot at with rubber bullets journalists were targeted it was for over a year we weren't going out at all in paris and this was all before the pandemic macomb has done absolutely nothing to propose any sort of policy that would remedy the concerns of these people and their concerns were very valid i mean you had people like retired people saying i don't have enough money for bread i have to uh sort of um ration out my pension at the end of the month
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and so i don't eat for the last few days i mean these are the kinds of accounts that we were hearing and at every single protest insane amounts of tear gas were used and so apparently this has also been studied in france right now which is crazy yeah france protests in real life the way americans protest online like i wish we had the energy of france and i i was gassed in france because in france in 2014 when we were protesting what was happening uh in palestine
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military assaults on gaza there were mass protests in france to support palestinians in gaza and the french police came out and they gassed everybody they prevent you from leaving yep they kettle you what's the point of so what's the point of gassing us then why are you trying to guess i mean if you're going to enclose us in and you're not going to let us escape why guess us it's punishment like what's the point of that yeah but i mean it's it's not like normally tear gas is supposed to be used to disperse populations right
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that's the intense usage of tear gas this is just as you say purely punitive it has no function it has no strategic or tactical right i don't know that there's like an ideal use for tear gas you know what i mean i think it's sort of like at your own discretion type thing and it just so happens that their discretion is basically always right in zuccotti park in 2011 we got tear gas and they already had built barricades to keep us all in so it's not like you
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could run out and then i was shot with rubber bullets last summer in june during the police uprisings the lapd hit me numerous times with rubber bullets directly on my body uh they aimed for my genitals which i actually found out later is a tactic they learned from the idf it's the shoot to maine policy yeah but they hit me at least twice
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once in the genitals once in the lower thigh and um i was i brought a umbrella so i was actually blocking a couple of them they shot like six or seven rounds at me and i blocked a couple uh but they they got me because they are good at shooting people that's what they do you know what i mean they are you fine oh yeah i mean yeah they heard a lot for i was very sore like you know because rubber bullets are just bullets covered in rubber they're not they're not like a it's not like a rubber blob it's like
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an actual bullet it hurt a lot but i'm okay yeah oh my god yeah i'm lucky that they didn't hit me in the eye because they did take the eye out of somebody who was that's what happened in france not far from but always bring an umbrella folks there's no well or something else to block right yeah because bring a shield if you're gonna go because they will bring a shield they will shoot you and they don't feel bad about it and i reached out to my congress person about
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it because i was like i should speak to their manager and my commerce person you know what they said they took like three weeks to get back to me they had a staffer reach out and they said well did you report it to the lapd and i said you you know what i didn't but thank you so much for your efforts it's like what am i gonna say i'm gonna call him up and be like hey hey you guys uh just wanted to report that you shot me with rubber bullets and they'd be like did we miss you know
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and i would be like no no you got me uh one of them one of y'all ricocheted a shell off the floor i didn't know you knew geometry like that i was like these [ __ ] no angles um my god but yeah they're they're like give us your address we'll follow up with you in person you know what i mean okay i'm not oh my god though expecting them any time talk to the lapd yeah that was pretty funny what's your job as a congressperson what is your job
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is it not to respond to your constituents when they have issues from the state i gotta give no i gotta give it up for the job description that was actually a very funny response on their behalf like i don't know if they were trolling me but if they were meaning to be funny that is hilarious did you report it to the lapd yeah but the sad thing is i don't think they were trolling you i think no overall 100 i really do believe that they thought that reporting it to the lapd would be
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the thing to do would do something the fbi already contacted my local field office based on the fusion center data that my phone was putting out you know what i mean like they were already well where my good friend cam at food benders had her first day in court where she was given a court date to fight the charges that are against her the israeli lobby has constricted her economic opportunity
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by targeting her store directly for in-person protests as well as vandalism they have targeted her suppliers trying to cut her supply chain make sure that she cannot get produce things that she needs to run her business they have targeted third-party vendors who were facilitating the delivery of her food from people who still wanted to support her because there is a large network of people who support her
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out here despite what the press may say the press has written 15 articles about her in the last year which can only be described as obsessive and the jdl has shown up in person which is a terrorist organization it is labeled as such by the fbi because they were involved in bombing campaigns in the united states as well as assaulting women they killed somebody in the u.s yes alex oda was a palestinian-american
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activist he was assassinated in a bombing as he opened the door at his office in santa ana california he was the west coast regional director of the american arab anti-discrimination committee and the terrorist attack was committed by the jdl yeah so those old chaps showed up in person outside of her door protested i was there for it luckily she has a great lawyer he is an outspoken anti-zionist and he is pretty much one of the only people
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who was willing to take the case because it's a tough task to go up against the israeli lobby when you are a simple business owner or a lawyer practicing it's not like this is an even match really and that's why i would encourage everybody to go to the link that i will put in the description and make a donation to our good friend kim's
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legal defense because she's going to need it the israeli lobby is going to drag her into deep waters and if you can just spare one or two dollars it would make a difference yeah absolutely and i think it's really important for people to understand what's at stake in the lawsuits it's so much more than just her ability as a business owner to continue to operate her business it actually has nothing to do with that
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it's much much much more critical issue at stake and that is one having to do with freedom of speech what you are allowed to say about israeli violence zionism are you allowed to express support for palestinians is is the mere expression of support from palestinians in and of itself something that should open you up to uh attacks whether physical or on your business or harassment online harassment
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all sorts of things going this case is going to become precedent this the implications of this case are going to reverberate throughout the palestinian uh community and throughout the uh activism community so it's a huge case it's a huge deal it's a huge case and we should also acknowledge that she has stood tall the entire time she has not backed down she has not given ground she has doubled
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down in her efforts to raise awareness about palestinian human rights and the cause of justice she is a gangster when it comes to human rights yeah and not to mention the lawsuits are i mean it's not just one lawsuit it's multiple lawsuits yeah maybe you can break it down ranging from a case brought by the city of toronto against foodbenders this of course was in response to allegations that food
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vendors was denying people service on the basis that they were supporters of the state of israel this lawsuit was completely baseless there was actually no facts brought forth to support the allegation that they were denying people service on the basis of their allegiance to uh israel in fact the only evidence was the fact that there was an instagram post made by the foodbender's account containing the hashtag zion is not welcome as a proof of discriminatory policy against
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patrons would be patrons of the business meanwhile one of the local journalists who penned an article saying that she was discriminated against is pictured with a salad walking out there's also a case brought by some individuals who allege that they were discriminated against when food vendors published the zionist welcome hashtag on their instagram page but neither of those applicants have ever tried to set foot in food vendors so that's what we call in the law hypothetical
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damage it doesn't actually exist you didn't actually suffer any damages so that that doesn't work there's a organization that used the instance of zionist not welcome in a survey to document anti-semitism and the ijv independent jewish voices came out recently having done a basically cross-section of the data they looked at all of the instances of alleged anti-semitism and found that a majority of them
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came from this incident with food vendors hashtagging zionist not welcome which is dubious at best there's another case that was brought by a former idf soldier and a dual citizen of canada who is suing foodbenders for defamation he claims that a social media post that was made by foodbenders with respect to his character uh amount to libel and he also claims that foodbenders discriminated against him when they published the zionist not welcome hashtag on their instagram
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i feel like that's a lot of lawsuits on the basis of a hashtag also where do you think she's going to get 850 000 from you have destroyed her business i mean the thing is is it they don't think they don't expect to claim any sums from these lawsuits they're all being brought for the purpose of harassment purely and to create an immense amount of psychological pressure on this person who now has to wake up and go to sleep every single day knowing that she has lawsuits
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in the millions being brought against her because of her support for palestinian human rights so there's another lawsuit where actually foodbenders has brought a suit against the jdl in response to the group's organized efforts to smear and bankrupt food vendors and in addition to the aggressive actions that they have carried out in response to the lawsuit that is brought by food banners against the jdl the jdl is counter-suing they're claiming that they were defamed and had their reputations damaged when
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food vendors wrote that they were racist and hate muslims and arabs and women foodbender's intended legal strategy is to argue that these assertions are in fact true here's something when members of your organization have literally committed the assassination of a palestinian american at his place of work are you really worried about pr i don't you know what i mean i don't know if they're aware that the truth is a legal defense but they're about to find out and that's
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why this case is so so important because everything that she has said is true and she has not discriminated against anybody because judaism is not zionism yeah we got to go back to that every episode people you say zionists are not welcome that's like saying white supremacists are not welcome apartheid south africans are not welcome right yup racist not welcome you should be allowed to say racist not welcome you're not discriminating
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against racist by saying racists are not welcome yeah i saw comment a comment thread about this somebody was like well she did hashtag zionist not welcome and then somebody else was like so what we [ __ ] hate zionists like right right hey by the way the jdl has been according to the fbi involved in plotting and executing acts of terrorism within the united states so not that i'd like to rely on an fbi statistics or statements but i'm gonna go ahead and invoke that one
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if anybody can recognize terrorism it's the fbi it's nice nice of them so great nice of them to put it on documentation for some other people number of jdl members have been linked to violent and sometimes deadly acts attacks in the united states and in other countries including the murder that i mentioned and a plot to assassinate congressman daryl rysa in 2001. wow who's a republican but apparently of arab origin yeah they hold a grudge
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it seems wow so anyways our thoughts are with our sister kim at food benders who has stood tall this entire time never back down she has recently had one of the cases dropped against her because it had no standing and then she got back one of her third party vendors either ubereats or doordash so if you're in toronto definitely order from her go by her store just let her know that you're thinking about her and if you're not and you want to support go ahead and hit that link in the
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description for her legal defense we've raised about thirty thousand dollars for her so far but she's going to need more because this is going to be going on for the next couple years yeah i mean i just want to add that defending yourself is an expensive endeavor and this is exactly why all of these cases are being brought being brought to harass to get her to stand down i think that really needs to be clarified as well that this is this is a key part of palestine solidarity work uh in in canada like you're saying it
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creates a chilling effect on activism it's it's a part of the pacification of activism right it shows people that this is a hard life if you choose it like they're not they're not playing around here you can lose a business you can lose opportunity you can lose your family just through being ostracized and maligned by the press right you can lose friendships
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this is the type of thing that one dedicates their life to and i have the utmost respect for my friend kim at food benders the jdl was filmed defacing the door front of food benders in broad daylight nothing happened to the perpetrator who committed that crime we should say that the police it's sort of like the situation where my congress person was like did you call the police no because the toronto police do not like
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her either she's been critical of them because they obviously are a police force that has mistreated killed black people may cover up the crimes of native uh disappearances etc and so you know she's been outspoken about justice and that means that the toronto police are subject to her criticism and therefore they have stopped providing any protection just discouraging anyone from just defacing her storefront in
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fact they have intimidated her members of the toronto police department have threatened kim with rape yikes and so what do you do in that situation where the people who are allegedly meant to protect you are not only you know allowing it to happen but they are engaging in acts of harassment themselves furthermore this underscores the connection that police stations have with israel right yeah every police chief
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every police force has some connection often financial that connects police departments and the apartheid regime and the media blackout on this is insane the media has can you even call it can you call it a blackout when they've been reporting on her but just negatively right it's more like a blitz or an onslaught that comes in conjunction with the in-person harassment online harassment and the lawsuits it's just
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another aspect of the full frontal attack on her yeah absolutely thank you all so much for listening to another episode of the palestine pot we so appreciate your support please like subscribe comment leave us a review on any of the podcast apps where you listen to us you can find out more at www.palestinepod.com and as always you can reach out to us if you want to get involved at palestinepod gmail.com
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yesterday and i've already finished three i didn't have high expectations but i was surprised as to how good they were i thought you made really good points throughout anyway i just wanted to say you should keep doing the podcast and you definitely deserve a lot more views also if you need anything like someone to manage the podcast social media or just
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anything i'd be very happy to help i'm a palestinian refugee and i really appreciate what you guys are doing well thank you so much soulja toy we love it thank you so much thank you so so much for your application to work for the podcast after insulting us and telling us that you did not expect it to be good but you were won over by the vodka i i honestly like
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