Danny Kaye - Skokie

Danny Kaye - Skokie

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[Music] mr. Frank Collin 25:19 West 71st Street Chicago hey there's your Jew influence right there what do you mean I got the address right oh no here's the address on our letterhead central headquarters National Socialist Party of America they make damn sure to leave that up once they say are they gonna let us demonstrate in the park out there yeah sure if we post the
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350 thousand dollar insurance bond the cover possible damage to Punk property lines have you it if those Martin Luther Coons wanted to demonstrate their last y-you tried to get a permit on its cookie everybody knows it's a damn Jew Tom what we want to do is to march right here in Chicago in Marquette Park I mean our people are here with the jig's moving in they're gonna listen to us shut up I'm the leader here you hear me I'm the
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leader [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] be there nothing when I have read the letter game dad might be
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studying further oh well he's gonna do all spelled out picketing on public property in front of City Hall of a whole laws not obstruct traffic carry signs white faces demonstrators some ignore derogatory remarks either orally or writing against ethnic or religious [Music] yes where were you I've been calling you since 10 o'clock this morning downtown in court that's wonderful I need my village no don't don't get excited out
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I've got a private practice to take care of us it's Walla red Collins letter it's not going to be simple he knows what he's doing this demonstration is a meeting and exercise of the constitutional privilege of petitioning for redress of grievances it's the Bill of Rights you read the last paragraph demonstrators will march in uniform wearing the symbol of the National Socialist Party of America Nazi storm
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troopers with swastikas that's exactly what I need outside the mayor's office Nazis Bert I wanted you in on this from the beginning now we've got a very explosive situation here a very large part of the town council is of Hebrew persuasion Jews Jews al it's all right to say Jews exactly out of a population of 70,000 we have somewhere around 30,000 Jews and on top of that a very significant number of those people are
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survivors of the Nazi concentration camps and their families very solid citizens to voters just what are you getting at your honor well look Bert the idea of it Nazi swastikas and all those people out there who survived the whole horrible thing there's a there's a humanitarian impact and all right they voted for me yes I have an obligation to those people and I have to face that yes I guess so Bert I've always prided myself on being absolutely blind to race or color or religion in my administration but I
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I want your personal opinion because you're the village attorney and also because you just happened to be Jewish how it didn't just happen help me will you what in God's name can we do alum I'm not trying to duck this but I wasn't exactly crazy about that Park District Insurance dodge Chicago tried to use that against Colin and he went out and got her blouson of the American Civil Liberties Union to challenge it in the court yeah okay I know that my ballpark
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opinion is that eventually every one of those insurance requirements will be thrown out as unconstitutional Burt I want your personal reaction as a Jew alpha every to Jews you're gonna get three opinions [Music] better call me anyway I don't know if I can stay over I get asked what can you call me yes
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[Applause] [Music] I promise [Music] what do you mean interfere when do i interfere Beth I'm a person who Minds his own business and I will acts all I'm saying is Beth a promise is a promise what are we saying that Shh well please
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don't drop the ring in the can I should swallow it What's Wrong nothing nothing is wrong you just got home I told you they were tryouts for the turrets oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yes yes how was it good look you will be the best cheer at anybody ever so you know that well they only take a couple of sophomores don't worry about it because they'll take you first of all you're the prettiest and you're a very good dancer why you're
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worried hmm so politics anyways Oh pop all the kids are going over to penny jettisons after supper I'm gonna stay over can you drop me there mm-hmm penny Jansen's over near Lincoln would win tonight you see you have to take her all the way to Lincoln would you couldn't go with Hershkowitz in the first place let the Janet honey you know I would take you I would like to take you but but but that promise I just can't tonight tonight is it problem you understand I can't tonight
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well as a matter of fact if you'd let me get my license I don't want to hear about license everybody gets one penny took a test on her 16th birthday sweetheart we'll talk about the license another time just mom would just I thought I said drive November I just can't do it tonight tonight it's different no it isn't I always have to ask you to take me anywhere I mean it's absolutely edible edible Janet let Daddy alone I got a right to know why
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look look honey I because it's Friday night I I have to go to synagogue you never go except on Yom Kippur for some kids Bar Mitzvah chanted bomb let's don't overdrive you or attempt see why is daddy going to the synagogue tonight it's nothing nothing it's a special meeting of the demesne Club throughout the men's club stuff with a junk mail better maybe we should explain
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let's do can't dr. Karron mom why do you think I don't understand if you say it in Yiddish if she shouldn't have to hear such things Bertha she is 16 years old she said she's a person of intelligence what it is is Nazis are coming here to Skokie what do you mean Nazis why don't we have supper pop I got the call from the community
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organization what they want like I said Nazis from Chicago they're coming to march here in Skokie in three weeks I saw him on TV in a park or something is that all yeah yeah that's all it's nothing why did you have to say in front of the child mom do you always have to call me the child she's a little girl in America what did she have to hear Bertha please why do you have to go
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I promised her storage you could say something you call attention I will not say anything when do I ever say anything and a quiet man I will sit quietly with Hershkowitz and I will listen don't worry excuse me now as you know one of our important jobs in the anti-defamation league of the B'nai breath is to keep a close watch on anti-semitic activities in the United States the old German American Bund of the 30s was financed by the German government itself and it
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disappeared with the outbreak of World War two now the current Nazi splinter group started about ten years after the war with George Lincoln Rockwell who was a brilliant manipulator of publicity he could always seduce the newspapers and television into giving him coverage even though he never had more than 500 followers nationally now Colin and a Chicago group are one of the tiny splinter parties across the country now I don't believe in under estimating anti-semitism but our best professional
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opinion is that Colin and groups like his are so isolated from American realities that they do not present any kind of present danger to the safety and security of Jews how do they work they exploit the anger and outrage of decent people to get what they can't achieve for themselves attention publicity they create trouble to get in the newspapers and on television now over the years we have developed a tactic to deal with this quarantine our advice the Jewish
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communities is to refuse to give them the confrontation they want when they show up with 15 or 20 of their shabby airs out storm troopers turn your back don't give the television camera anything exciting to take a picture of the worst thing you can do is to give them a platform national exposure to spread their anti-semitic garbage that's that's about it I'll be glad to answer any questions about developing a game plan to deal with this situation thank
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you [Applause] thank you very much mr. Rosen that's all there is I would like to introduce me the man came all the way from downtown rhetoricians grab my story here in Skokie and he's always expressed the close cooperation of the non Jewish and Jewish communities why does he talk it as a source of great personal what are we a football team because nothing bad that should come here Albert Smith Thank
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You mr. Rosen ladies and gentlemen I want to make something absolutely clear to all my Jewish friends here this evening and that is that your Christian neighbors here in the village of Skokie hold hoodlums like Frank Collin and his ilk in the utmost contempt we share your outrage and your concern and we intend to act in utmost good faith to assure the safety excuse me and the protection I beg your pardon I would like to ask a question well yes sir I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have in a moment or two however there with respect
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your honor not you the other one the one from the Chicago anti-defamation I think we should hold all questions for mr. Rosen until just said that he would be happy to answer questions I'm sorry if I'm out of order but I do have a question you know it's it's all right it's all right to be happy to defer question to mr. Rosen go ahead sir ask your question I am max Feldman I am the president and founder of precision fabricating
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incorporated which is located here in Skokie on Springfield Boulevard I just want to tell mr. Rosen from Chicago that what he said when sprayed inside me like like an echo if you have a question mr. Feldman I kept saying to myself max max somewhere I heard that speech before but but not here not in Chicago not in America where did I hear that
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speech I heard it in Germany they came from the big city very fine professional men all members of the National Jewish organizations I was very young but I remember what they said Nazis stormtroopers hoodlums in the street how many are there handful there just petty criminals don't pay attention go home they said close the doors pull down the window shades don't look
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nothing will happen quarantine they talked about quarantine strategies game plans tactics I don't mean to offend you but there was then mr. Rosen who said they are no danger to the safety and the security of the Jews so my question to mr. Rosen is no no no this republic please there'll be plenty of time for comment from the floor and
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we do have outside guests you know what this is at that to a number viren's one sick fears X and AIESEC it's a concentration camp number do you know what that meant can you know what really happened can you know what the swastika was can you know what is a Nazi mr. Feldman I understand believe me there is no way of minimizing or arguing
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with a personal pain the tragedy and suffering of people who comes with a Holocaust I am trying to recommend a practical proven tactic for today's realities no I came here to sit to listen not to say anything but I don't want to hear about tactics and strategies that this is not a game I will not go home I will not pull down the window shades not this time not in my own town where I made a
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business and a home where I raised my child if the Nazi marches here in Skokie you can believe me I will be there I will be there with baseball bats with a gun with anything I will [Applause] mr. Feldman I understand your feelings I sure who could be a Jew and not understand but I won't condone any call for violence forgive me I mean no
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disrespect for the sufferings of Jews but we cannot sink to the level of the Nazis themselves rabbi the Jews in particular must always depend upon the protection of law rabbi you don't know you are a young man from Cincinnati what do you know Feldman is right the whole tactic of non-violence as developed by Gandhi excuse me I don't have to hear from your Shiva Bock about Mahatma Gandhi you weren't there you didn't see
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it happen we did we saw our mothers and fathers murdered children in my family there is nobody a cousin and Tel Aviv that is all my mama my papa my brothers and sisters my uncle's my aunt's my cousin's nobody you want us to walk into the gas chambers again is that
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what you want I am an old man but I would fight I don't care if I drop dead for my heart police the police are going to let the Nazis match in in this America please look we're all on the same side the only question is this is a matter of handling a very complex and sophisticated problem in a practical way believe me we have had experience the most effective way of handling this is to quarantine [Applause]
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please one at a time I am telling you and Mayor Smith you want to avoid violence I'll tell you how if you want no violence keep the Nazis out if they bring the swastika here I swear to you nothing there is nothing will keep me from fighting the memory of my mother the
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Nazis will not march on my life and the grave of my mother which was a lime pit in the death camp at mathausen a pile a heap of naked Jewish bodies on that grave I swear it Kenny was absolutely no no he just puts it on you only had one cannon he gave me half done and we'll send ya they were making out they were smoking
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dope well yeah I told them I had to go outside and then want my folks coming downstairs to smell yeah you very much Hanson she always wakes up Andy coming well you ought to be a sleep grandma oh I don't need my sleep these days yeah yeah sit down dear
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what's your name Janet oh yes yes of course well how was the party it was very nice it's great it seemed like very nice children okay good night Chris good night dear Janet good night Tammy if I were you I'd get rid of those beer cans before your mother gets up for breakfast in the morning I took care of it grandma
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I think she drives mom over the wall but I love her you know it's funny she's older than God or something and yet she seems to understand how I feel you know yeah I remember when I was a little girl and I used to wake up in the middle of the night and if I was real scared or if I was unhappy I used to run into her room and climb up on her bed and snuggle in with her and everything smelled of
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old fashioned smells like lavender and verbena and starched eyelet and broidery and stuff and I grabbed onto the end of her braid and I twirl it around my finger and I could cry if I wanted to and everything would be okay are you crying or something did I say something what is it I don't know I don't know listen I'm sorry Janet
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something about grandma I guess it made me think of my grandmother I don't know what's the matter with me well what was she like your grandmother I don't know as a matter of fact I never knew any of my grandparents I wish I cry over that that's a dumb reason your folks were refugees from Germany or something something I know they were in a
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concentration camp they've got numbers on their arms and that's why my mom won't wear short sleeve blouses Wow I don't know very much else about it I mean my mother and father never talked about it I never asked dumbs suddenly start crying about nothing I mean I feel awful
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sad like I lost something and I can never find jdl what's what's the JDL jewish defense league they're well they're sort of an ultra militant jewish action group they pick at arab delegations the Soviet consulate they do a little more than that the point is they've announced their intention of coming here and confronting the Nazis in the street great great we're gonna have a convention here have you seen these a call to progressive
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forces smash the Nazis no free speech for fascists who put this out some far-out communist splinter group from Chicago mauers to something I'm very much concerned this is going to lead to violence hell I can guarantee it's gonna lead to violence yet Colin and his Nazis your Jewish Defense Bunch they're not my bunch all right I know the point is we're gonna have a police problem that I can't handle by myself I have to borrow from the State Police you left out the survivors they've been holding meetings nearly every night this week and there's
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always one of the survivors they're taking a very tough line Saul goldstein Max Feldman he's been at nearly every meeting and then are particularly interested in abbot Rosen's line and the rest of the congregation's they are backing them all the way how was the meeting who was there rosin rosin from the anti-defamation league were there what did he was what he always wants quantity
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he doesn't give up don't give them the satisfaction he said well I would like to give them plenty but not satisfaction Sal Goldstein was elected the head of the survivors committee hey they'll hear plenty from him don't worry he was on the six o'clock news poured what's the matter you sick no I'm all right did did
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you take something I took something max what this isn't good for you you had blood pressure last year that was last year better this year I have no blood pressure but per se you get from holding things in why don't you let the people handle it whose job it is to rob by what kind of a rabbi is that he's a kid he plays tennis he doesn't even look like a rabbi he has a beard a beard you call that a beer my account executive from the advertising agency has such a
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beard but their rabbi should have beer it's foolish I mean who is max Feldman to set himself up against professionals do you think the anti-defamation league doesn't understand that a semitism anti-semitism they understand Nazis I understand why do you think you can handle things better maybe you're making a mistake I will just not pull down the window shades look who's to say they're not right his picture was in the paper with his swastika it was on the six o'clock
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TV suppose quarantine is right quarantine is not right daddy what can I talk to you no I I have a free morning tomorrow okay because I'm a little bit daddy it's important I want to talk to you now all right if it's important and I will talk to you now well what is it something to do with the charrids you need the sweater or something how did grandma I did I what how did
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grandma I to die it's just been bothering me that's all I mean you never seem to talk about it I've got a right to know after all she was my grandmother all right come sit down come come sit down I will
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tell you the town we lived in was close to the Polish border and my father was a tinsmith bless her they told he died 10 years before then there was a an order for the deportation of all the Jews and in my family there was my mother and my sister and my mother's sister tan Thalia she was a nice woman I liked her we never did find out what
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happened to her ever first we were in an AA Bites commando that's supposed to labor camp we were digging gravel from him over here and dragging it in carts to a place over there no one ever said why we just doing it and there were the soldiers and the capos that they were the prisoners who were guards with clubs
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and if you spilt a shovel and if you didn't move the cart fast enough they would beat you and if you fell down and couldn't get up they would beat them until they were dead maybe shoot them and they would just lie there like a bundle of rags and all day long you would drag the cards back and forth back and forth and in the end you would say
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what is that you would forget it was hi I'm LaBeouf ski or some human being laying there it would be just a bundle of rags and once a week was the selection a captain from the SS would come with shining boots and swastika on his arm and everybody was lined up they would pass by and they had a stick stick
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with a little leather loop and he went with the stick left right left right and if he went right it meant you were alive for another week but if he went left you were never seen again I used to watch my mother getting weaker and weaker she she was a sole seamstress she
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was to embroider fancy things for the rich ladies in town the beautiful delicate flowers with silk threads they were beautiful the shoes she wasn't a strong woman to begin with how long could she keep dragging the carts with gravel and rocks up to the hill then the day came when everybody was lined up and
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my mother passed and the captain that's all little wave like that to the left I started to shout and to run after her and three people held me down and they stuff rags in my mouth so I should shut up there's nothing you can do they said that's what they said there's nothing
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you can do later after the war I was in a British DP camp and I met a man from our town let Bukit in ski what's his name carpenter he worked under commando at mathausen they were the the prisoners who did the work around the gas chambers piling up the boots sorting out the clothes carrying the bodies he told me
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he said Maxim I saw your mother she was on a cart going through the line pit he remembered her from town he apologized to me but to make sure he went close to look the bodies were naked he said it was your mother I recognized her from a
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red hair thank you i I just wanted to know yes that is that for me no no no it's not for you [Music] that's chicka cannon well some of our jdl friends are here and I got dressed up for World War three hora huh hora it's a Jewish folk dance yeah well
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we got five days you think there's gonna be trouble I know there's gonna be trouble and you got at least three groups here looking for a fight what's gonna take a push Rock the bottle all right now suppose we can keep them apart we can give Collins a side walk downstairs the other ones the JDL over in the parking lot here on Douglas Street that new left group from Chicago all the way down here on Doyle place no art we're gonna get
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absolutely nowhere if you just take a negative attitude you're not gonna be able to keep these groups apart mr. mayor you'd have to call out the National Guard and I'm afraid you've left out another group mr. feldman and the survivors there was another meeting last night and they voted to hold a counter demonstration in the municipal parking lot well that's the last piece and look there's no way around it out if those Nazis march in Skokie there's gonna be violence well you're our lawyer aren't you gonna say anything damn it I'm the mayor of this town and I
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have the right to keep the peace nobody wants those pissant Nazis around here there's got to be some way of kicking them out and keeping the peace Bart well it's an attorney there's certain constitutional overtones it's very complicated it isn't it's very simple if they march there's going to be violence therefore they're not gonna march right Carlin and his Nazis aren't gonna set one foot in koke that's it period now your the village attorney and you figure out how
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we're gonna do that mr. Louison can I talk to you mr. Collins a little late right now I'll be in my office at 10:00 in the morning it's important the office is closing right now you're my lawyer your lawsuit against the Chicago Park District won't come up in court for another three or four weeks call me in my office wait it's not about the Chicago Park case it's something else I just received this from the village of Skokie it's a whole new case I think you ought to look at it I can
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stay for a while herb if you want no I'll take care of it Thank You mr. come what is it this time notice of a filing by the village of Skokie in Cook County Circuit Court against Colin his party at al yeah they're seeking an injunction to bar Colin and his followers from parading in uniform on the streets of Skokie on May 1st there's a notice of hearing in Cook County Circuit village of Skokie by Bertram Silverman corporation counsel have you looked at
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oh yeah well it's worse than the Chicago Park case Oh or is it involve First Amendment free speech assembly it's pretty clear what do you think about what the case do we take it can't avoid it you look at it from the purely legal view whatever view is there we already got a lot of heat representing Colin what does that have to do with a clear violation of the First Amendment
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take it easy herb take it easy please I'm just trying to assess the situation can't back away from a violation of the First Amendment that is this clear I'm gonna have to answer to the board I'm ordered any question about well for one thing he's a Nazi and there are a number of Jews on the board Dave I'm a Jew too I know you're a Jew but this isn't Chicago this is Skokie and you are gonna have to
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take a position supporting a Nazi against concentration camp survivors if this office doesn't take the case I'm gonna resign and represent him on my own I didn't say anything like that I am just trying to prepare our position because it sure as hell is gonna be trouble the principle is the same whether it's Colin and his Nazis or Martin Luther King and some civil rights march philosophy maybe the same but you know public relations are a little different herb I've got to protect you I'm gonna get in touch with the Board Chairman and he's gonna order you to take on the kid
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he doesn't have to order me to do anything I know no I know I want you covered against any kind of personal attack okay Dave what do we do well I'm going home I want you to try the list of attorneys we've used on past cases maybe I don't think I'm gonna find one this petition has to be answered in the morning would you call Rachel until I won't be home to about eight or nine
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o'clock is that him that's him [Applause] Your Honor this is a simple First Amendment case the village of Skokie seeks an order preventing an exercise of free speech before the speech has ever occurred and in spite of the fact that it has been proposed as an orderly exercise taking place for only 20 minutes on public property in front of the Skokie Municipal Building now however we might disapprove of what may
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be the content of the speech there is no question that it falls within the protection of the First Amendment and a court order granting such a prior restraint would be clearly unconstitutional as we already have made clear in our complaint your honor the circumstances in the case are exceptional the population of the village of Skokie is some 40 percent Jewish including an inordinately high percentage of survivors of the Holocaust and immediate families of those who were murdered by the Nazis in Europe this threatened
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marched by Nazis is a deliberate attempt to exacerbate the sensitivities of the Jewish population of Skokie and to incite racial and religious hatred it is an incite a Shinto violence and retaliation I'm a survivor of the Holocaust in the sense that I'm alive today but in another way no one who was there survived complete not without a
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wound a deep wound mr. Goldstein your mother died at that time she was killed yes she was thrown in a well mr. Goldstein what do you think of when you see a swastika a swastika means to me the murder of my mother the swastika flew over the camp SS that sent my mother also every death camp that's what this war ii means when i see the swastika I know that even here in
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this country I am not safe with my life that my children are not safe with their lives even here mr. goldstein have you any reason to believe that you're in danger now certainly why shouldn't I I got telephone calls and these were threatening phone calls Your Honor I object what is it counselor well unless counsel is prepared to establish that the defendant made those telephone calls I fail to see how they're relevant they said they were Nazis to me so please I'm going to remind the spectators that they
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must remain quiet there is no reason to connect the defendant with telephone call all right all right but I think we're headed for a different point overruled these calls that you identify as Nazi they made you fear for your life that's right mr. Goldstein what do you think would happen if the Nazis march in Skokie what would happen would be blood do you have any plans to use violence against these Nazis oh no no I got no plan but if they
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marched in the streets of Skokie your new home in their Nazi uniforms with the swastikas could you guarantee that you would be able to control your memories your horror your rage no who could do that could you promise that you would be able to control yourself from taking violent action against these Nazis no no I couldn't you feel that you might be driven uncontrollably to take violent action against this symbol of the murderers of your mother I tell you from my heart if I see the Nazis marching again with the swastika I couldn't tell
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you what I would do do you think you might attack them do you think you might attack them with guns with I may do you solemnly swear by the everliving God that the testimony you shall give in this case now on hearing will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do he see you please
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Your Honor I should like the court to rule that mr. Kollin is a hostile witness well this is a civil hearing we're not so touchy about those things but well we'll consider this a hostile witness thank you your honor now your name is francis joseph colin yes sir you are the founder and leader of the National Socialist Party of America the correct title is League Fuhrer Fuhrer yes well now mr. Kollin
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would you describe that as a Nazi organization yes I would I I show you this leaflet with the imprint of your organization have you read it yes I've read it you agree with the views expressed in my objection your honor the witness's personal views are irrelevant here they have nothing to do with his right of free speech constitutionally neither the court nor the village of Skokie has the right to prohibit speech simply because of the views of the speaker counselor your
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honor we maintain that the reasonable reaction to the witness's proposed provocation will be violent we therefore wish to make clear to the court just what that provocation is that is a simple hecklers veto position it has nothing you've made your argument overruled go ahead counselor mr. Kollin I read a passage to you from this leaflet the Jews are responsible for the black invasion of Southwest Chicago we must attack them in Evanston the North Shore
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Morton Grove Skokie etc do you agree with these views I do mr. Colin have you have the red man comes by Adolf Hitler and do you agree with it or Honor we object it is a constitutional principle that a man is on trial not for his views for what he believes but for what he does or intends to do overruled on the same grounds but the investigation into anyone's political beliefs has no bearing a counselor I have made my ruling have you ever read mine Kampf I
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have several times and do you agree with everything in it I agree perfectly with everything Adolf Hitler said now mr. Colin you have said that the purpose of your proposed demonstration outside the Municipal Building in Skokie was to protest the action by the Skokie Park District in denying you a permit to hold a meeting is that correct yes was that the only purpose yes sir how long did you plan to demonstrate 20 minutes did you plan to
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make any speech notes or distribute leaflets no and the number of demonstrators was to be limited to 25 am i correct yes did you plan or propose or indicate any intention of breaking any laws during the demonstration no I have no further questions your honor this is a classic case in which government officials are asking a court of equity to impose a prior restraint on the speech of persons advocating unpopular ideas now the village of Skokie has
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shown only that the political views of Colin and his party are offensive and outrageous which of course they are they have failed to show any reason to believe that the defendants plan to engage in any sort of illegal activity whatsoever the question of violence has been repeatedly raised here but that threat of violence comes not from Colin and his party but from others who would keep them from exercising their First Amendment rights now your honor the legal scholar harry calvin called this a hecklers veto the theory that a hostile
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reaction of listeners to a speaker can be the grounds for silencing that speaker in advance now I submit but failing any showing of illegal activity this Court cannot issue a prior restraint it's my opinion based on the evidence I've seen the leaflets the absolutely repulsive material in them which the defendant evolves completely I believe he intends to make trouble to
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incite to riot and cause bodily harm now mr. Louison you can split constitutional hairs but the Constitution certainly doesn't give a person like Colin the right to come into a peaceful community and cause violence oh I see no need to delay a ruling I will issue an order enjoining the defendants from engaging in any of the following acts on May 1 1977 within the village of Skokie marching walking or parading in uniform displaying the
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swastika displaying any materials which incite or promote hatred of persons of Jewish faith or ancestry [Applause] [Music] mr. Louison may I ask you a question do you think the ACLU will appeal this decision yes we're going to enter an immediate appeal we expect first amendment to be upheld come on miss Lewis that was a fabulous job pepper well I guess you're gonna file
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for appeal sure I'll be talking to the appellate court tomorrow morning well I'll see you in court doesn't it feel kind of funny what I mean you've argued the First Amendment for us before in 68 the Democratic convention it's kind of surprising finding you arguing for prior restraint what is surprising to find you or Jui arguing defense of a Nazi like Colin we are very busy right now
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could you call later I'm sorry sorry that you feel that way there's been no statement from the board yet and I haven't heard from the National Business the first time the ACLU is represented now it's not the first time we've defended the rights of Nazis we have represented George Herbert George
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Lincoln Rockwell when we he's a senior legal counsel to the Chicago office excuse me to be a statement a little later please just excuse me please later mister on the last three hours we've had over a hundred calls mostly ACLU members like mrs. Margolies they are not happy there's always some kind of a reaction when you get into these things not like this the New York office called they're getting the same thing resignations protests I had one lady tell me she was stopping a fifteen
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dollar check for annual dues it's the same thing in LA why I mean this is nothing new we've gone to court for these people before the Nazis the communists the clans why is it that when there's a clear-cut case of violation of the First Amendment no whatever Phyllis I thought I said oh well yeah bring them in Morton Weisman mr. Weisman mr. Weisman
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how are you I was sorry to hear you were in the hospital you look fine thank you thank you David I fully recovered I go down to the exchange once a week now I think you've met her bluest how do you do sir this is one of our new legal staff members miss Ryan mr. Weisman has been one of our most active supporters for many years - Pierre - sit down sir David I've written you a letter but in
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the light of our association over the last 10 years I felt constrained to come in person rather than use the anonymity of the mails it is my resignation from membership in the Civil Liberties Union mr. Weisman this is connected with the case this morning it is I feel like a no longer in conscience support the organization any matter mr. Weisman I
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think you always a chance to make our position now you've been a supporter of the ACLU long before I ever came with them you've been through some very tough times yes that's true this wasn't easy for me I'll show you the point is I know that politically you're a very conservative Republican you were you were very close to Robert Taft mr. Weisman I can't believe that you would abandon us during this crucial fight for the First Amendment I am sorry but this
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confrontation this particular constellation of forces has brought me to this conclusion but the constitutional issues are exactly the same in all these different cases I am as you may know a native Chicagoan and as you say a Republican but as used to be occasionally suggested to me at various clubs and social events I am a Jew the other day I saw man on television
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forget his name the Holocaust survivor from Skokie Feldman maxvill and it came to me in a way I - I'm a survivor of the Holocaust must one defend the right to speak for those who if they came to power but deny the right to freedom indeed of life to others I remember justice Jackson this warning
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the Constitution is not the suicide pact mr. Weisman when we file the appeal I'll have plenty of time to develop all the philosophical aspects of this case I'm very sorry mr. Lewis but above all there is something monumentally inappropriate in a Jewish lawyer financed by a membership disproportionately Jewish to go into a court to defend the rights of a few hoodlums to go into a Jewish
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community and proclaim that was too bad Hitler didn't finish the job I'm sorry Berthe daddy hello I want to hear the news hey Pierre cord just made a ruling where is your mother upstairs she's been in bed since I got away anything the matter check my stereo player she's playing records better
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listen don't don't switch the channel [Music] better you will not believe what their gesture than the radio in my car they did there was a ruling from the appellate court and they denied the motion for the stay against the injunction against the March you understand what I'm saying that they lost the Nazis lost how do you like oh [Music] they will appeal to the Supreme Court
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those animals but this will take a long time as the day when they said they were going to watch and I decide what court in America will say that Nazis could come here how do you feel I'm fine the lawyer from the Civil Liberties Union free speech he was talking about well what kind of free speech Nazi saying they could come here to kill Jews there's no argument what kind of free speech is that no no better we won't let them come to murderous this is the end of the
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argument period put the music back on what Schubert don't you understand what I'm saying yes yes I understand please put the music back on just push it puts itself on [Music] [Applause] [Music] you hear that once again it's online Frank colin has borrowed from his plants
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Cokie March after their ruling Colin held a press conference in the headquarters of his Nazi Party near Marquette Park George Peters was there I want to make it clear to all the white people in this country we will not allow the secret Jewish influence in government and the courts to keep us from protesting the Communist initiative and memorizing God should punish number either intelligence America that they shouldn't let him on TV intend to obey the court order forbidding your March of
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course we're law-abiding the injunction forbids us from marching in skulky first [Music] all about it 30th the day before so we are announcing now on April 30th the National Socialist Party will march in Skokie in full uniform and exercise of our right of free speech this is George Peters recording from the headquarters to the Socialist Party of America
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we'll be back it's tomorrow isn't it 30th [Music] daddy is that what they look like it's funny I mean I've only seen pictures in books and you know Old World War two movies on television but I always had a feeling that I knew that they looked familiar and I'd seen myself
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I mean really it's kind of crazy but yesterday I was downtown with Donna and Arlene and we were riding the El through the loop I was pretending it was a train going to Auschwitz [Music] keep up with the TV unit that's the whole idea [Music] [Applause] [Applause]
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[Applause] did you try to reach judge Sullivan at home I know it's an unlisted number we try my wheel you find him you will try the country-club get him to send somebody out to the golf course the Oak Park Country Club not very yet you go to the house and have them send somebody else out the golf course yes that's right Chicago PD just called Collins started off from Marquette Park about 10 minutes
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ago they're gonna trail them to the agents Expressway well why didn't they stop and they don't want to get into what Alex our problems yes no we tried to get him last night he was supposed to call first thing this morning but yes right I'm holding I'm holding what about downstairs I guess all my men coming in I mean I don't know I put in a call to Springfield they're not gonna be able to move fast enough how long is usually pretty heavy traffic on the Eaton's even on the Saturday to bet it
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is a rush hours yes your honor [Applause] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] it's a frank Colin yes she bought the Buchanan a bunch of Skokie Police Department you haven't got any right to stop me like this I have a court order here restraining you from demonstrating or parading in the villages cookie that
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said May first this is the 30th of April I know but as of 1052 this morning Judge Sullivan expanded the injunction forbidding you from parading in the villages Skokie on the 30th of April and thereafter until further notice of the court [Music] College you have any comment on the situation [Applause] [Music]
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[Applause] [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] on Monday morning herb Lewiston of the ACLU will go into state Supreme Court and appeal the injunction that banned Collins March today what happens then well father Kelly that's hard to say it the case we've maintained so far depends on the implied police power used to
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avoid certain violence well it did bird I don't see anything wrong with that that's the reason we've called this meeting now I've explained this to the mayor this injunction is a prior restraint prior restraint of free speech I thought the judge ruled that it was justifiable that's right Reverend but that was Cook County Circuit as we go higher and higher in the courts they take a very dim view of prior restraint herb Lewiston is going to call this the
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hecklers veto the idea if otherwise protected speech inspires violence in its opponents the only remedy is to ban the speech well hecklers veto is a very shaky prop on those grounds Martin Luther King could not have marched in Selma Alabama no wait a minute mr. Silverman that was not the same you can't equate Martin Luther King with Colin and his Nazis I really can't believe it's the same thing I mean there is a moral difference after all dr. King was not attacking anyone
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dr. King was not trying to attack the basic principles of our lives he was according to the sheriff of Selma Alabama in fact according to the majority of white Southerners excuse me but I'm not interested in how many lawyers you can stand on the end of a pen now this whole town Christians and Jews were all in agreement on this we have an obligation to those survivors now they're all ready to stand together this isn't politics I'm talking about either it's just common decency which side are you on I'm trying to do my job
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as an advocate pointing out the reality to my client I'm giving you my professional opinion Your Honor this injunction will not stand up on appeal to the higher courts but you're our lawyer now what do we do well I I've drawn up a list of pposed village ordinances for permits liability insurance for a ban of offensive symbols all of which will effectively bar Colin yes we can pass them but will they hold up in court well it'll sure eat up a lot of time and
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put the ball in their Court the count so far is 350 letters of protest and resignation now the National Office of New York has figured out that across the country resignations will reach nearly 15% of the membership naturally there's going to be a drop in contributions in dues probably in excess of that I'm a little concerned Dave that we got ourselves into this position without an opportunity for this board to debate the issue I suggest before you get into a policy
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discussion we ought to hear what the current legal situation is herb can you fill us in please yeah what we have here basically are two separate cases number one the original injunction forbidding Colin to march now that's been upheld by the circuit court and we have it on appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court which seems to be stalling refusing to rule one way or the other so we think we should take it to the United States Supreme Court to force Illinois to rule then there's case number two the series of ordinances passed by Skokie
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last Monday what we recommend now is to move on case number two the village ordinances and go to court if we use so much time and money for Colin won't that limit the defense we can make for others who may not be as apparent right we can't represent everybody look damn it well I choose to take on a pathological anti-semite as a client the client is not Colin the client is the Constitution itself come on herb enough soon all right no no come on go on
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suppose these Skokie type ordinances were in the hands of a racist sheriff facing black civil rights demonstrators or against anti-war demonstrations over Vietnam suppose they were in the hands of a president who would do anything to silence his opposition I never thought I'd be sitting in a board meeting of the ACLU arguing the First Amendment I'm gonna quote Justice Hall if I get it wrong you'll all correct me if there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperative Lee
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calls for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought we hate all right let's get the issue straight first whether you approve the original action and accepting colleagues excuse me may I speak to you sir no free speech for Nazis [Applause] I'm mr. Hamlin and I'm the director you don't look Nazis no free speech fashion
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reminds you that this is a private office racism is the crime although they agree I am asking you and your friends to leave now if the Nazis have a right to march in Skokie then we have a right to occupy your crypto racist office propaganda is not free speech okay let's just take it easy you're the lawyer ice won't tell [Applause] [Applause] [Music]
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[Applause] you sure we shouldn't call the police not yet they've called the papers but if no reporter shows up they leave on their own in a little while well we get in both ways Nayar told me the JDL sent in in the New York office I believe we were about to discuss if the board approves the decision to take on Collins's case number two the ordinances and we continue is a motion in order I suppose oh sure I move that the board approved
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the action of the executive director in pursuing this matter that we accept the second case and follow through on both cases to the United States Supreme Court if necessary there a second yes the motion being duly seconded all in favor yeah today's ruling in the Supreme Court of the United States has instructed the Illinois courts to stop any further delay in ruling on America not see Frank
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Collins appeal against the various bars to his proposed march in Skokie mr. Kollin do you have any reaction to today's events we hail our victory in the Supreme Court excuse me the Supreme Court ruling was only on the issue of delay not on the merits of the case still we consider it a triumph of white Christian America over the Jewish conspiracy I am applying for permits we will march in full uniform on the streets of Skokie on Independence Day the glorious fourth of July the Jewish
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Defense League will be there if Colin and his Nazis marched in Skokie on the 4th of July we'll be waiting for him and you can tell those nutsy like the ACLU shysters up there if they March there will be blunt and it won't be Jewish blood it would be a desecration of the graves of six million Holocaust victims if we didn't meet those Nazis face to face and you're going out yes
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yes there's a meeting do you have to go yes it's very important because they're having a a public forum it then and the temple that lawyer from the ACLU is going to be there you know that the smart one I wouldn't want to be in his shoes we're ready for him max I don't want you to go oh now don't start better I just don't want to be alone again what alone Janet is here and I will be home
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11 o'clock can you let someone else this time I can't I was elected on the salgo Stein's committee for the Holocaust survivors where's the loaner for the lint and what can you do what does he use nothing you can do can keep them from coming years ago nothing anybody could do could keep them away God's sake birthday oh I remember I was a little girl how could you know it would have been a terrible thing to
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just pull up everything and run away from the Nazis my cousin Joseph and my papa cousin Otto everyone's saying wait wait it can't be that bad and then of course it was too late and they are all dead Bertha that is exactly why we lives this time I don't want to wait next let's go go go go away
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I want to go go where shall we go we're in America with American citizens I don't care I just want to go where do you want to do you want to Israel no no no III I'd be afraid little bombs then the terrorists and the war I know terrible things are gonna happen here - you can't keep it out even if Brahms Beatle ed bro you can hear the
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marching with their boots don't get your start in a supermarket and Tel Aviv four people killed and my mama took me to my cousin Sofia Breslin I never saw her again a pop on Lisa cousin I do laughter you getting everything mixed up in one mission Nazis with March here nobody got do nothing nothing nobody could keep
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them away I want to go what are you talking about go go where where should the Jew go to hide Lester listen to me you hear listen there is no hiding place I am here and in Skokie we are not alone there are Christians Jews everybody together against the Nazis we stay let
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them go you got to see it's different this time it's different what we do this time is we fight you're right you're absolutely right there is no question if we fought 3040 years ago if we stood up then and hollered no no things would be different but I tell you from the bottom of my heart it is not
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the Nazis I am afraid of it's that feeling inside to be helpless like you couldn't move your hands or your feet like something was stuffed in your mouth so you couldn't even scream I wouldn't ever have that feeling again if I knew I was to die it makes me a shame that feeling better you should come with me get out of the house don't stuff your
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ears with music do something then you wouldn't feel the shame makes you go I'll be alright I'm fine you go do what you have to do just a little tired you didn't eat you're going to lie down and close your eyes that was the way to survive in the concentration camp don't let yourself feel nothing see nothing be
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nothing make yourself such a nothing that pain or no pain suffering hunger eating was all the same to you nothing for God's sake live live better what is the use of surviving if you refuse to live it down please stop it we were alone I'm late already for the meeting and I
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promised I would be alright I will be home Biletnikoff so everything will be all right it'll be okay though Stalin and you come here no no but you can do anything could ever do it anyone who defends the murderers of Jews is a murderer of Jews himself don't worry there are always traitors ready to
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sell out a Nazi garbage is not free speech it's murder please sit down ask the police to sit you down [Applause] just let her take her seat never again I want to remind everyone of you that this is a house of worship and the Talmudic tradition calls for a calm and rational consideration of all points of view with
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mutual respect now I know that you will allow mr. Louison to finish his presentation with the proper courtesy please go ahead the point I was trying to make was that basically the Nazis are not the issue what is the issue then the issue is the web of laws enacted by the village of Skokie that prohibits free speech by prior restraint thank you thanks Pete now throughout the years the American Civil Liberties Union has consistently
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defended the right of Nazis this is not the first time the ACLU has consistently defended the rights of all Americans by defending the rights of the unpopular the radical and as in this case [Music] [Applause] [Music] as the Cooperation Council for the village of Skokie I'm dedicated to taking every possible legal step to keep
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Colin and his Nazis out of Skokie on the 4th of July and forever I should like to point out that in the German Federal Republic since the war any Nazi Party is illegal and it is forbidden to display the swastika why should we be denied the same wise protection I don't want to go into the legal points that are now
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before the courts but I'm prepared to argue them in the proper place with my good friend herb Lewis however I am interested in obeying the law and in keeping the peace you want peace keep the Nazis [Applause] no matter what happens we must remain calm we must respect the law and we must keep the peace hell we will you'll be peaceful if the Nazis come here we're gonna beat him into the
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ground in the long run the Jews will be dead as a representative of the National office of the ACLU in New York although we support the action of the Chicago office personally I take a slightly different stand I don't necessarily
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believe that defense of the First Amendment has to be made from some kind of pure philosophical theoretical purpose I think it's a practical political necessity if we agreed if we agree that our purpose is to defeat what Colin stands for to protect democracy against Nazism against genocide I say the most practical in fact the only way is to defend the First Amendment as our
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strongest weapon let me ask you who needs the protection of the Bill of Rights the most I'll tell you the weak the most vulnerable in a society if speech if protest can be stifled by government today the village of Skokie against the Nazis the same principle can be used again tomorrow when others may have the desperate need to cry out for help and justice Jews can't hide from Nazis in Skokie now there's no doubt there is a danger and letting the Nazis
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make their propaganda somebody may believe them they may they may grow they may get more powerful there is a danger in democracy itself but it is far more dangerous to destroy the laws that deny anyone the power to silence Jews if it should come that they need to cry out to each other into the world for help it is because Jews are vulnerable what are you people talking about how can you how now you're a Jew yes I am so how can you
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a Jew defend freedom for Nazis what I am saying is Nazis must be free to speak because Jews must be free to speak and all others you're all the same all of you Naiya from civil liberties rose infirm anti-defamation always come cool always so reasonable I said it to Rosen I'm saying it to you that's what they said about the Nazis in Germany how many are there a handful what can they
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hurt let them speak no no sir it is not the same free speech was not protected in pre Hitler Germany the by our government was afraid to protect free speech the Nazis were allowed to go into the streets and deny others their rights there were hundreds of political murders meetings of the opposition were broken up and the government took no action to control the Nazis and maintain the law of free speech for everyone and because they could silence their opposition by terror by violence the Nazis could grow
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no no sir the answer is to restrain the abuse of raw power with guaranteed freedom listen nyah I wouldn't argue Torah with the rabbi I wouldn't argue law with a lawyer a professional but listen to what I have to say I lived it I know what I'm talking if the day should come when we are both forced by the Nazis to march
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into the same gas chamber on that day you should be at the head of the line so you could holla slogans for freedom of speech freedom of speech for the murderers who are pushing you into the oven in fact sir I came very close to dying in those gas chambers I was born in Berlin
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my mother my father and I were able to deep Germany only at the last minute 1939 my extended family grandparents aunts uncles cousins were wiped out they died in those gas chambers at Auschwitz Treblinka bergen-belsen now thousand I escaped but in spite of that no because of that I support First Amendment rights absolutely I support free speech for
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everybody for Nazis and with Khemu who said freedom is the concern of the oppressed it's a matter of self-interest defending your is the only way to protect Capri society against its enemies [Applause] yeah look harassment by phone is a misdemeanor okay knock it off [Applause]
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[Music] July 12 1977 Illinois appellate court first District First Division village of Skokie a Municipal Corporation plaintiff a Pelle National Socialist Party of America at all defendants appellant the swastika is a symbol which is inherently likely to provoke a violent reaction among those of the Jewish persuasion or ancestry when intentionally brought into close proximity to their homes and places of worship this is especially
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true for the thousands of Skokie residents who personally survived the Holocaust of the Third Reich so to the tens of thousands of Skokie's Jewish residents must feel gross revulsion for the swastika and would immediately respond to the personally abusive epithets slung their way in the form of the defendants chosen symbol the swastika in summary the order of this court is that the injunction is issued by the Cook County Circuit Court is to be modified removing the ban on uniforms
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but leaving standing the ban on the use of the offensive symbol the swastika nevertheless we will march in full uniform with the symbol of white Christianity the swastika what about the second case the Skokie village ordinances won't they still keep you from marching we are continuing to appeal all the restrictions to the higher courts I have no doubt we will win I will march in Skokie under the full protection of the law in my full
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uniform you should live through attorneys for the American Civil Liberties Union representing Colin and his Nazi would-be marchers were unavailable for comment afternoon mayor Albert Smith of Skokie said he was decision he said it was heartening for the decent people of Skokie thank you took out some chopped meat but they're still still frozen I'll make some kind of [ __ ] in the frying pan daddy I have to talk to you
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preach on the television the news from the network is coming on Cronkite maybe we'll say something about Skokie can you turn it down I wanted to talk to you about the lake what they I told you penny and Don and a bunch of the kids are going to this place on the lake there's a concert you have to go to a lake somewhere for a concert Donna's sister has this place it's this
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big old house right on the water and there's their dock there has been a lot of criticism other media about the sanitation conditions in certain Southside neighborhood daddy it's an editorial to point out the wpm with boys yeah just some of the kids we'd be back late Sunday night overnight you go to sleep on the night well the concert won't be over till 8:00 on Saturday night mom said it was okay
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if I mean no no no in a house overnight with boys I'm not gonna sleep with them I'm just gonna please don't talk like that you're just being unreasonable Janet I don't like the idea of you riding around and cars late at night with god-knows-who very young girl you have plenty of time well if that's what's bothering you if I could drive then I could control where the car went Donna sister's gonna be there with her husband it's gonna be absolutely no wait wait a minute crazy stuff I have to call Betty and tell her
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we don't want to talk about anything okay in the controversies anybody else is sitting not so much daddy listen this is important today we're so-called leaker Frank : daddy you're not really the restrictions you having a great time with all the interviews and the committees in the court March in Skokie and you love it you love it because it makes you
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important you want in the cupboard I'm sorry I'm not dead I'm sorry you're not stacked up in piles like those courses in the picture I'm so you look dead like my mind I feel I could be important to you sorry uh-huh I can't suffer the way you did I've
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tried I tried to feel it I tried to suffer for you and for mom so somehow it wouldn't be so bad for you I just can't I'm just please baby okay we can go to the lake with your friends and get your driver's license it would be all right
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you'd be like the others it would be just like all the others no I never felt like the others I always felt something different I don't know a long time I've had the kind of feeling that things weren't happening to me that I didn't experience things for myself for you and mom and a lot of
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people I never really knew who they were sort of shadows we didn't wanted to touch you what happened what should a child born in America have to do with that suffering but that was not possible good it wasn't just the Nazis coming to Skokie no no it was long
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before without saying the word we handed it to you in silence like the blessing as a gift to Jacob but it was not a blessing it was a curse and yomama afraid to feel anything for herself and
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be so I don't stay in bed all day and listen to Brahms but I stay in my office 10 12 14 hours a day filling my head with payrolls inventories god forbid I should sit quiet and think so why am i afraid for you to grow up for myself I'm not afraid that's a luxury that I
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learned to live without in the camps but I'm so afraid for you survival they talk about survival you you are my survival [Music] where have you been they're gonna start without us look what just arrived in the Circuit Court of Cook County saw Goldstein versus Frank Colin mmm
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they made service right before I left the office that's why I'm late oh this is great this is just what we need a brand new case to defend for color the anti-defamation league put a whole team of lawyers on it they've invented a new tart mint aside but let's catch it the idea if speech is not the issue that the threat of the appearance of the swastika and the Nazis all by itself constitutes a kind of assault on the survivors
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willful infliction of emotional harm the process of resurrecting the emotional and psychological response to the original Holocaust creating mental damage what are we supposed to do prove that the survivors wouldn't have any emotional pain this is ingenious I think there may be a few holes in it I certainly hope so well for one thing that assumes that all of the survivors would actually witness the March or if they argued they don't have to be there in person then the mere
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fact that there is a March constitutes the assault then where do you draw the line what about a March in Chicago TV news film for March in New York NBC's doing a big dramatic series on the Holocaust would you enjoy that because it might do psychological damage to the survivors in Skokie I think it's a piss the entire thing is offensive to the whole concept of free expression that's easy for you to say you're not
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Jewish that's a rock thing sorry I just got this picture of me standing up in court denying that there was any pain and suffering in the whole Holocaust I think it's getting to me he's still getting those telephone yeah we have an unlisted number now well I think if we just argue that it's a heavy I don't want to hear any more about it
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we have a whole benefit dinner to sit through let's just not think about it anymore [Music] Sam Farber I saw your name on the table list we met at that same meeting about a year ago I'm herb Lewis we were sitting with Harry and grace until June butter thanks darling is that rhetorical hey
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you had some trouble over there yeah talk to me in violets hi getting resignations yes some got your new brief today I don't think it's gonna hold up who knows I think it's a cheap shot why can't we let the court rule on the central issue and stop putting up all these smoke screens I think your problem is you don't see the central issue the reality of anti-semitism oh did you ever read that book by that Northwestern professor who claims that Hitler's
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murder of six million Jews never happened it was a hoax well it's all over for one thing that's this whole Palestinian thing there's a worldwide explosion of anti-semitic propaganda paid for by various Arab organization if you don't see that stuff I do how the hell do you expect the survivors in Skokie like Feldman to appreciate your fine philosophical nuances on the First Amendment my god they suffered enough do they have to go through it all over again what about their human rights why don't you defend that I'm not gonna argue with a guy like Feldman I'm not
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gonna try to give him logic and fancy law in the teeth of what he's been through but with you it's a different story when max Feldman sees a common and it's bloody uniform with his swastika he sees his own past he sees the real stormtrooper the concentration camp guard the the Jew killer it hits him he reacts to it I have no argument with him but you should be able to look at Colin and see the present political and social family person dressed up in a Nazi uniform in America is a pathological irrelevance or no come
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on out now don't underestimate the danger in this country I'm not under estimate I think there's a danger in this country but it sure as hell isn't a bunch of Americans masquerading as secondhand Germans you want to know what the American equivalent of Nazism is racism sure that's how big thing you're seeing a hell of a lot more of that than swastikas I'll tell you what's more dangerous than Colin it's a bunch of smug slippery politicians using code words reversing the whole drive for civil rights cashing in on racism that's what's happening all
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over the country I know that's why I'm here tonight but I am primarily interested in the safety and security of Jews yeah me too this Jew right here do you remember Huey Long's line if fascism ever comes to America it'll come under the name of Americanism the only defense for Jews for blacks for anybody is freedom with the protection of law each of us knows the other has part of the truth but we still can't agree while the courts gonna rule tomorrow on the
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first case the original injunction maybe that'll settle a Supreme Court state of Illinois January 27th 1978 the display of the swastika as offensive to the principles of a free nation or the memories that he calls maybe is symbolic political speech intended to convey to the public the beliefs of those who display it it does not in our opinion fall within the doctrine of fighting words we do not doubt that the sight of
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this symbol is abhorrent to the Jewish citizens of Skokie and that the survivors of the Nazi persecutions tormented by the recollections have strong feelings regarding its display yet it is entirely clear that this factor does not justify enjoining the defendants speech well that's a complete turnaround isn't it the March can't be prohibited they can't be banned from wearing their uniforms and waving their swastika zoom out
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that's one why don't I feel happy but then I luck it'll rain yeah hello speaking yes I remember you from Newsweek right no I haven't the slightest idea where you can find Frank Colin for comment no why don't you try finding him yourself look I had the honor of representing him
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in court I have no intention of acting as his press agent right as a matter of fact I happen to know where Frank Colin is that's the one bright spot with all the television stations and newspaper men looking for him to interview he's a stuck in the blizzard somewhere between st. Louis and Chicago everyone the federal court rules on the ordinances he'll still be frozen stiff federal court for the Northern District of Illinois February 1978 in this case a
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small group of zealots openly professing to be followers of Nazism has succeeded in exacerbating the emotions of a large segment of the citizens of the village of Skokie who are bitterly opposed to their views and revolted by the prospect of their public appearance they threw out every one of the ordinances as unconstitutional right down the line for the first amendment that you've imported all of the wangal homes look the principle of free thought not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought we hate freedom
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of thought carries with it freedom to speak and to publicly assemble to express one's thoughts it goes on it is better to allow those who preach racial hate to expend their venom in rhetoric rather than to be panicked into the dangerous course of allowing the government to decide what its citizens must say an pretty sweeping yeah what about that third one the mental side thing hmm oh they threw that out of the lower court
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and even if they appeal it there isn't much of a chance of their using it to get an injunction this is it then it's over no it isn't now there's nothing to stop the Nazis from watching our enemy has run out of jute tricks to stop us and I am announcing today that the National Socialist Party of America will carry the Nazi swastika flag in Skokie on April 20th the birthday of Adolf
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Hitler governor Thompson says he'll be here in Skokie to attend the counter of demonstration senator Percy has made a speech to the Senate calling for a massive counter rally now ladies and gentlemen I'm not at all worried about how the people of Skokie will respond because I remember one freezing cold day when hundreds of Skokie citizens Christians and Jews alike came to an outdoor meeting and we're all wearing the armbands with the yellow stars to show how we stood together against the Nazis so if they march we'll be there
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what does worry me is that even though I know our people are peaceful I can't vouch for the peaceful intentions of others who may attend now every every effort is being made to keep the peace and Bill how will you excuse me a minute excuse me help me I'll be right back as the mayor said we've been in touch with the State Police of course we're mobilizing the entire ocean can I see that please our major concern is of course the safety of the
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citizens what is that I just got a call from downtown he's made a deal Oh Colin it's one of those package things Chicago Park District he gets a permit to demonstrate in Marquette Park and he cancels Skokie that's straight I just got it from Chicago City Hall that's all he had us running in circles for a year and a half
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you mean that's it he's cancelled and that's the way it ends just like that it's over it's all over what a waste of time and energy and what did anybody get out of it oh I don't know I guess it depends on who you are you know the truth I never wanted to march at that Jew town anyway but I was on television in Chicago and on the national networks for a whole year millions millions of people saw me and
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heard what I had to say and I won I beat the Jews I could have marched if I wanted to I just changed my strategy we had our rally in Chicago today only twelve people showed up but I have faith people are getting fed up with the Jew government giving everything to the
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[ __ ] you show me somebody who feels that way and I'll show you a potential Nazi you know for all the aggravation actually in a way it turned out to be a good thing of course I don't mean that anything about the Nazis can be really good but in terms of public awareness of the history of Nazism there is a compensating gain you know a whole generation has grown up that wasn't even born at the time of Hitler and this whole world conflict between Israel and
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the Arab nations has resulted in a resurgence of anti-semitism now we of the anti-defamation league feel that a time may come when we will see actual violence breakout against Jews blacks other minorities and and not just vandalism but bombings and murders when this happens we may wonder what price we've paid for the purity of freedom of speech at least the Skokie experience can be a warning a reminder that the
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Holocaust must never happen again I think there should have been some way to keep the Nazis out of Skokie but I don't think I I can feel about it the way my father does and the others I've tried sometimes I still feel guilty like I have some kind of obligation to their suffering but I can't I do feel different like I was in two different
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worlds sometimes I don't know who I am sometimes I get mad and say I don't even want to think about it but I do I'm glad I'm alive but I just can't carry it all I mean why should I be the one who has to carry everything sometimes I feel like it's not fair to me it's crazy isn't it I mean I'm the lucky one
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when you think about it well I'm glad as hell it's over the ACLU really took a beating I mean we didn't quite anticipate but we put in a lot of work now explaining to our membership why we did what we did and we're coming back slowly for me personally it was very painful the people who hate me the most today for what I did who actually think of me
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as as a devil of some kind those are my people they're just like my aunts and uncles they're people I really care for and never stopped caring for throughout this whole thing and they still keep asking me why why did you defend the Nazi well it's always the despised and the unpopular who are the first victims of oppression ask the Jews I mean if I waited around til all the nice respectable people were my
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clients it would be too damn late no no the test of a democracy is not just that the majority rules but that the power of the government is limited by freedom and the first place you got to go out and defend that freedom is the first place it's under attack it's over now so we lost in the court those bastards have got free speech they can go everywhere and say that they should kill Jews well
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let me tell you something we lost her did they March not in Skokie not one inch and do you know why not because this time this time we stood up and we fought them right back and we told our story to the whole world we were witnesses we made them
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know how it happened that such things do happen in the world and the world lets it I ask myself why why did I live why did God let me live you do you can't help but you asked over and over I will tell you a true story I I remember in the
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camps an old man was praying in Yiddish not even Hebrew and he said God God let somebody live to be a witness so that's why to be a witness to tell the truth to stand up to be able to fight back my little girl said to me oh she she was mad she didn't know what you were saying
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she said I enjoyed it that's not true baby because this time I stood on my feet and I showed them I remember when my mother was going to her death and they said there's nothing you can do nothing you can do this time there was this time they couldn't wipe their feet on me this
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