How To Answer The Fool (full film)

How To Answer The Fool (full film)

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i man teach me how to do it teach you how to do it teach me I do I can't well the thing is I'll teach you how to do it okay the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge and in Christ you cannot know anything at all unless you start with God say you know to be true that my art is not valid yeah tell me sir how you know that because to multiple years of experience to everything that I've observed in life and through what others have observed and compiling this knowledge and applying the scientific
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method and applying the other speeds of logic and all of this I can bring this together and make a claim that what you're saying is not correct and valid in relation to all of this other evidence right instantly your eyes would fill with tears blood would pour right very real to you they're saying that you say I can't be certain of anything because it's based on my own reasoning but you can't be sure and God exists because you reading the Bible is based on your second out search I can said you
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have certainty if you know God exists but the fact that you think I exist is because there's no reason so nobody can have certainty no breaking up certainty are you certain of that I was talking to a great friend of mine and the first thing I said to mrs. fear of the Lord is being in knowledge and we were talking about six hours about this apologetic and the light finally went on his eyes and wide open and he said I get it they can't know anything unless you start with God I said man that's the
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first thing I told you all right now what I'm talking about today is apologetics that's a reasoned defense of your faith that's what apologetics is now why do you think unbelievers don't like evidence for the existence of God because they're unbelievers that's right Christians we love the evidence of the existence of God why is that because because we're Christians that's right and this is a question that I ask you because I'm sure most of you all the lives like myself when an unbeliever
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came up to me and said I really don't believe that God exists I'd say oh really well here's some evidence personally I think it's far more logical to draw conclusions based on the evidence let's not believe in the authority of the Bible merely because the Bible claims to be true let's look at modern cosmology physics biochemistry and genetics all of which point powerfully toward a supernatural creator who looks suspiciously like the God of the Bible atheism or Christianity that is for each of us to decide on the basis of the
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evidence of course but we're gonna show through two scientific arguments in one philosophical argument that there's a spaceless timeless immaterial powerful moral personal intelligent creator out there and we're not going to use the Bible to show you that evidence we're just gonna give you evidence and let you see where it leads out in the world where do you hear evidence most often in court who do you give evidence to in court the judge the judge and the jury so we go out in the street in a campus with some arrogant snot-nosed kids like
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that and they say I don't believe in God and what's the first thing we do we give them evidence and when we give them evidence who are we saying is the judge then and who is on trial God so we go out in the street and we say you sir are the judge the Lord of glory is on trial what the scriptures say do not put the Lord your God to the test and what are we doing we're out there saying that God's on trial and you know what the problem with that
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is you can win that court case because God has given us wonderful evidences evidences are a wonderful gift from for Christians to bolster our faith you could win that court case and you can acquit God but what's the problem who's the judge okay so you believe it you believe in proof yes now proof presupposes truth logic and knowledge correct yes okay now what is truth in your world truth is what has been
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accepted and what has been tested truth it so would you agree that truth is factual truth is whatever is real yes so you have a correspondence theory of truth truth is that what corresponds to reality correct yes how do you know what's real I know it's real by what is tested and what is accepted over and over and over again okay throughout time and through scientific measures and writing the
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scientific theory okay now in order to come to those truth claims you're employing your reasoning correct to an extent but I'm also employing the reasonings of thousands of others but in order to interpret what those thousands of other people say you aren't your employer reading yes okay so truth you know through your reading right along with all right but the thing is you have to reason about what other people say my question to you sir is how do you know your reasoning is valid
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I don't that's right so if you don't know your reasoning valid would it not follow that you can't know anything to be true yes okay so that's the problem does it connect is it the safe or you do not know anything to be not know what I'm thinking you do know things to be true to deny truth to deny knowledge is a logical fallacy we know things to be true in our own realm like you said what is real well this is the question so could you be wrong about everything you claim to know yes okay now here's the problem with that because when you say you could be wrong about everything you claim to know you've given up knowledge
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let me explain that to you let's say I ask you how tall this building was and you says it's 50 feet tall but I could be wrong do you know it now not if you could be wrong correct so if you could be wrong about everything you claim to know it follows that you know nothing yes the problem is you do know things but I don't think so the only thing I do know is that I know nothing do you know that yeah that's - you know that you're at this University you know that you're studying now I'm dreaming that's right you could be dreaming yeah so without unless you start I'll explain
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to you why unless you start with God you can't know anything at all but you do know things you're spending big money to be at a university to study things cop pulls you over and rolls down the window you say I don't know if you exists or I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pay the fine or whatever you don't live like that hang on this guy's having a very good conversation if you please not into it what I'm gonna say is unless you start with God hang on unless you start with God you can't know anything because in order to know anything at all you would have to know everything because if you don't know everything what you don't know could contradict what you think you
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know but that make sense it does but Kenny the argument we post in the same way that you're talking about God well we'll get to that in just a minute okay very well sir so in order to know anything you would have to know everything right or have revelation from someone who does lower than the Christian worldview God has revealed truth to us in his word such that we can know for certain because you know things for certain do you know why you know things for certain because you
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know that God exists and that's what the Bible says people don't go to hell for denying what they don't know they go to helpers or sin against the God they do know and I expose that people know God when they make knowledge things that they can't account for without him see that's the problem see Jesus Christ did not only died to save souls for eternity he died to save reasoning now because if you say I could be wrong about everything I claim to know I say could you be wrong about that it's Deb certainty and that's the option you have God or absurdity but people choose absurdity because they love their sin
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how imagine somebody came up to you and said I don't believe in words we think that they were a fool we wouldn't believe them we wouldn't take out our dictionary and give them evidence but if somebody came up to you and said I don't believe in God we believe them we give them evidence and we don't think they're a fool when the Bible calls them fools something has gone wrong I mean listen to listen to the Bible verses the heavens declare the glory of God the skies proclaim the work of his hands it doesn't say the heavens
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proclaim the glory of God if he exists you know and in in Romans chapter 8 Paul says I'm convinced that nothing can separate me from the love of the Father what a beautiful verse I mean you see people in church tears streaming down their face nothing can separate me from the love of the Father what comfort that is in the next day they go out they talk to people at work and they say you know I could be wrong I could be wrong you know that's a nice conversation with the guy work it bolsters his unbelief that bolsters his denial of the God he knows exists but it's not the God that I
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believe me it's not the guy that they were worshipping in church the day before but they give him Pascal's wager I could be wrong but if I'm wrong I die rot in the ground worms in my body I'm right I get to go to heaven if you're wrong you go to hell if you're right you'd I rot in the ground where worms eat what have you got to lose man what have you got to lose but you know what God is not a bet he's not even a good bet he's not even the best bet he's the certain God that has proclaimed himself
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certainly and when we say that to the unbeliever we're talking about something we don't believe we're not we're talking about a different God that we worshipped in church the day before most of my life when I was defending my faith I was doing it wrong I was giving evidences to the unbeliever the problem is most Christians are doing it wrong today I mean look at the books that we have 20 compelling evidences that God exists the case for Christ a handbook of Christian evidences evidence for God evidence that demands a verdict who's the judge in
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this case not the creator of the universe the unbeliever these people know that God exists so instead of believing what the Bible says we believe them when they say that they don't believe that God exists we elevate them to the position of judge and we put God on trial the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness since what may be known about God is plain to them because God has made it plain to them for since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities his
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eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen being understood from what has been made so that men are without excuse for although they knew God they need a glorified him as God nor give thanks to him but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened although they claimed to be wise they became fools no according to that verse who needs proof that God exists nobody nobody and what do we do
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when we go out into the world we try and prove that God existed people personally I think it's far more logical to draw conclusions based on the evidence that is for each of us to decide on the basis of the evidence of course we're just gonna give you evidence and let you see where Italy this has been drilled into our heads for so long that we believe the unbeliever over the Word of God and the problem is that I'm going to tell all of you this today and tomorrow you're gonna go out and the guy's gonna say I don't believe in God how do you
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know that God exists and you're gonna say every building needs a builder God is not a builder God is not a builder he's the Builder and they know it and they're without excuse for denying it that's the God that we believe in the other day I felt my heart beating in my chest and I thought to myself I have a pump in my chest about the size of my fist made of meat it pumps 700,000 gallons of
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blood per year and runs for 90 years on doughnuts and I gotta prove that God exists evidence for God look around I don't have to give you evidence for God you know that God into this that's the God we have to talk about when we defend our faith I'm saying that this is the perfect time to open their life to give it a chance I'd say give them a 60 day trial yes are you kidding me who in scripture tried Jesus Pontius Pilate and he only
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tried him for a few hours if Pontius Pilate didn't repent he's in hell try the Lord of glory we've got to get on our knees and submit to him comprehend the concept of only one way to God for one simple reason there are still people in this world who will never hear it village India right who may never hear of Christianity except perhaps as a term it makes no sense to me that a loving
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God would condemn them to hell for not believing in Jesus when they never heard of it well I've got some good news for you nobody goes to hell for not believing in Jesus okay hallelu right you know why people go to hell because there's sin okay those people in those tribes and the deepest darkest jungles are sinning against the God they know exists that's why we send missionaries because they're going to hell for the sin against the God they know exist if they didn't know sending missionaries would be the worst thing we could do for them we should
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have wall building teams to build the walls around these communities but the Bible says that everybody knows that God exists in her without excuse for their sin against them even people that profess an other god know the true God because they're not going to be able to say oh I thought it was Allah look guess it was wrong hey no you know the true God that he doesn't even use now the thing is at this point people are saying well I was convinced I was converted because of evidence does that mean I'm not a Christian no it doesn't mean that doesn't mean that at all God can take a bent stick and strike a
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straight blow God can say people through evidences but I'm really afraid of people who say that they're Christians because of the evidence Christians because of the evidence because of you're a Christian because of the evidence then you're not a Christian because you know what can happen if you have evidences to convince you that God exists and you're a Christian because of the evidence you're still the judge and the problem with that is the next day you can back over your three-year-old kid is playing in the driveway kill them
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now all of a sudden you got evidence that there's no God and the scales are going back and forth and back and forth now I'm not so sure that I'm a Christian anymore I'm not so sure about that and then you give them some more evidence oh and I'm a Christian again then they watch a Richard Dawkins video and it's going back this way but what's the problem who's holding the scale the unbeliever the unbeliever is judging God based on the evidence they've never submitted and bowed the knee to Jesus Christ when the Bible calls the unbeliever a fool it's not a judgment on
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their intellect it's a moral charge these people are willfully rejecting the God they know exists my father he worked at an electronics firm and yet some Russians come to visit them and these were people from backwoods Russia they were having a break and this Russian fellow wanted a cup of tea so my father got him some boiling water and got him a tea bag and the Russian fella took the tea bag and he went to rip it and pour it into his tea and my father says no you throw the whole thing in so I thought it was kind of weird looked at
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my dad but he wanted some sugar for his tea as well so my father got him a sugar bag and he took me through it in his tea my father says no you rip it open and you pour it in I think I looked at my father as if it was crazy now would that guy be a fool no he didn't know any better a fool is someone who knows better who did Jesus call The Fool the Builder who built his house on the sand you think that guy didn't know better he probably on a beachfront property and didn't care what would happen to his
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house that's the person who the Scriptures call a fool that's who we're dealing with I live in the world of I don't know I know for a fact live in that world you know that's not a world of I don't know that's it I know I live in that world [Music] all right that's a good point but you do believe in a standard of truth then I do believe in that but I don't believe any human can come to a specific conclusion about that because that truth yes that
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is true but you've come to a conclusion about that the one truth that I know is that no single person can synthesize know for certain whatever it is they say that they're in the case so you know you can have they can have more or less evidence you know that nobody can know anything you know that for certain yes okay so that's a certain knowledge good now let me ask you this question in order to come to that certain knowledge claim are you employing your reasoning yes okay now let me ask you this question how do you know you're reasoning about anything is valid because because it's based off of other
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things so when you start from a base thing that you can't contest with there's one thing to speculate but what I can I can look down and I know I'm looking down because I perform the action looking so what you're doing is you're telling me that you know your reasoning is valid by using your reasoning I I'm using evidence to come up with a way of reason right but the thing is I'm asking how you know your reasoning is valid and you're using you because it's not my opinion it's what is and what is it okay is that true what I think is that true yes you told me you only know
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one thing to be true and that's people don't know anything and now you're making a little truth claim but there's more evidence that what I'm saying is true is it true that there's more evidence yes so you know that's another truth claim but that's three see it seems so now you're using the same word to constitute different things you're saying that truth is that truth what I yes because scripture says do not answer the fool according to his folly lest you be like him and I say well look take a look at my debates you know that tells us how not to answer the fool do not answer the fool lest you be like him but you know
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what I do in my debates I answer him according to his folly when somebody says to me there is no certainty I say are you certain about that you see what I did there I answered him according to his folly so that he doesn't get all puffed up so he's not wise in his own eyes and I said why didn't God tell us that he told how not to answer the fool in Proverbs 26 for don't answer the fool according to his file why didn't he tell us how to answer the fool why didn't he tell us to answer the fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own eyes wait a minute that seems sounds familiar that verse in
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the Bible - somewhere in Malachi right somewhere you know Malachi and are in Habakkuk Syme you know one of those other books you know that you got to really find out he says how does not answer the fool but some are deep hidden in the Bible somewhere is how to answer the fool no proverbs 26 verse 5 the very next verse answer the fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own eyes before handers to this apologetic I never understood those two verses but this makes perfect sense don't answer recording this fight don't assume that God doesn't exist oh you don't believe in God how can you make
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sense of anything you say there is no certainty are you certain of that what I've learned at teaching apologetics is that the error that people make is they're either defending God wrong or they're defending the wrong God the scripture tells us there's only one God so if you're defending the wrong God not defending the God of the Bible I mean you can look at our arguments look that we use the cosmological argument say that everything which begins to exist must have a cause the universe began to exist therefore it must have a
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cause it must be an uncaused cause and that uncaused cause is God we use all these books and have all these arguments to try and reason to God we have arguments that conclude God God is not a God that we can reason - he's the God that we can't reason without covers 1 verse 7 says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge Paul in Colossians 2 says in Christ our hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge why do you think Paul told us
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that he tells us in the very next verse I tell you this so no one may deceive you by fine sounding arguments what do we have fine sounding arguments this is Paul's warning to Timothy guard what has been entrusted to your care turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge what it's false knowledge see to it that no one takes you captive through Hollow and deceptive philosophy which depends on human tradition and the
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basic principles of this world rather than on Christ [Music] that's what we're doing what's the most famous apologetic verse first Peter 3:15 always be prepared to give a defense of your faith people always forget the beginning of that verse but set apart Christ as Lord always be prepared to give a defense of your faith that's what we have to get back we don't conclude God we start with God and we show them that if you don't start
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with God your worldview is absurd you say you know to be true that my argument is not valid yeah tell me sir how you know that because through multiple years of experience through everything that I have observed in life and through what others have observed and compiling this knowledge and applying the scientific method and applying the other things of logic and all of this I can bring this
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together and make a claim that what you're saying is not correct and valid in relation to all of us other evidence you're appealing to your senses your memory in your easy depth and all the things yeah you just told me that you can be wrong about everything you claim to know that it could be in the major trial you know could be yeah so now how can you know anything about the experience very good because I'm not saying that you people don't know things I'm saying you do know things but you suppress the truth and unrighteousness and thought your only possible for not the God that you know exists the God
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that if you get hit by a truck you're going to face tonight if you could prove to my satisfaction that God does exist the gun exist when I worship it No why not because he's kind of a jerk if I believed that God exists and I believed that it was the Bible God that existed I would not worship it because it is a criminal thing now if a better God existed than the one in the Bible I still wouldn't worship it but at least it would be worthy of respect we're
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talking about the God of the Bible is an absolutely all-powerful sort of deity well I would see that it's the same as somebody who has all power leaving a country I don't know whether I agree with that person that just because they have power that I would worship them I would have to really see that in action to see if I agree with it ethically on my terms so all your work is still ahead of you even if you think these nonsensical fairytales do have any basis in fact so I grant the whole thing and it makes no difference to me
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wouldn't make me a Christian if it was all true the stranger it shouldn't make you one either unless you are a completely credulous person you ask somebody if I could give you sufficient evidence to prove that God exists would you worship Him most people will say no but you might get somebody says yeah I'd worship them I say you know what you probably would because any God that requires me to give evidence to you it's not the God of the Bible but it really makes sense that the creator of the universe would have to give you evidence before you will bow down to him I mean
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that doesn't make any sense you see the issue is not evidence as a Christian what is the foundation of our reasoning the foundation of our reasoning is God because let's face it we believe some things that without God are nuts I believe that a donkey talked I believe that a snake talk I believe that a man who was dead for three days came back to life I believe that an axe head floats why do I believe those things because God is the foundation of
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my reasoning and he says that's true that's why I believe it now an unbeliever will say to you well I am no longer a Christian because something did not make sense to me I say oh so you're the authority of your reasoning now yes but as a Christian God was the authority yes see how do you reason from the position that God is the authority to the position that he's not well something didn't make sense to me as a Christian if there's something we don't understand and there's lots of things in Scripture I don't understand what are we supposed to do proverbs 3:5 and 6 lean
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not on your own understanding and all your ways acknowledge him and he will make your paths straight I say I'm not a Christian anymore because of this evidence indicates they were never Christians what do we as Christians do we try to repair that evidence they say well I'm not a Christian anymore because the Bible says this oh let me tell you what the Bible really says here oh I'm not a Christian because I don't believe that dinosaurs walk with man well look we have these fossils here and we try and repair that evidence and let's say
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you repair all of that evidence and where do you bring the back to a position where they weren't Christians congratulations they want evidence of a talking donkey they want evidence for a dead man who came back to life if you deny the God of the Bible that is nuts I can't give you evidence that a man was in a fish for three days it's not our job as Christians to prove miracles we're trying to get them to see the truth with evidences and arguments so that they'll repent but what does the Bible say 2nd
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Timothy 2:25 in the hope that God grants them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth repentance comes before a knowledge of the truth these people have to repent of their sin against the God they know exist for any of that to make sense I'm not gonna waste my time trying to prove that a donkey target trying to prove that Noah got all these animals on the ark if you deny God that is crazy but with God for the creator of the universe that's nothing they need to repent of their sin against that God before they can understand any of it we're not
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arguing for Christianity tonight we're not trying to disprove Allah's existence we are arguing for a generic monotheism that is affirmed by Jews Christians Muslims deists theists of any sort Anthony flew as known as the world's most notorious atheist he became a deist this is what success looks like when you give the unbeliever evidence you get deists big deal this is not success but you might have a lot of deists walking this earth that Christians are slapping them on the back because they say there is a God you know
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who else believes there's a God Satan he doesn't only believe there's a God he believes in the God it's not helping him any [Music] answer two questions right this is a generic argument for I said of personal Supreme Being and that's consistent with Judaism Islam Christianity certain forms of Hinduism
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Dickinson I are so that's evidential apologetics we're studying the evidences now what I am is a presuppositionalist we all get the same evidence we get the same evidence as the unbeliever but we interpret the evidence according to what we already believe we interpret the evidence according to what we already believe and what are the beliefs that we already have before we get to the
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evidence those are our pre beliefs our presuppositions we interpret all the evidence according to our pre beliefs according to our presuppositions it makes no sense to the attack the evidence when they're gonna evaluate it according to what they already believe now I have a dear friend of mine Dustin Seger's he's another presuppositionalist and he was out on a campus in North Carolina and a philosophy student came up to him and she said I would like some evidence for the resurrection and he said you can't account for evidence
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repent for anybody knows doesn't know that you would never say anything see Dustin loves the perp the people that he's engaging he loves them she wasn't asking him to defend the truth of what he believed he was she wanted evidence for the resurrection dust and a presupposition is what did he do gave her evidence gave her evidence for the resurrection and Dustin has a photographic memory and you know all the evidence is the Roman guards the responsibility's the empty tomb the female witness boom boom boom he was just hitting her with all this evidence
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and you know what took a while Dustin convinced her that Jesus rose from the dead hallelujah hallelujah right you know what she said you convinced me that this man rose from the dead but you didn't prove that he's God she had a presupposition she brought to the argument that the supernatural doesn't exist if you prove a supernatural event to somebody who doesn't live in the supernatural they're just gonna file it someday we'll have a
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reason why that body came back to life in the meantime send it to Ripley's Believe it or not this is a story I'm sure many of you heard it already but a man who thought he was dead he thought he was dead and it really upset his family because this guy in his house thought he was dead and they've tried every argument they could to convince this guy that he was not dead nothing worked and they thought okay we'll take him to a medical doctor a medical doctor will be able to convince this man that he's not dead so they take him to a medical doctor and the doctor thinks for a bit goes dude
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that man bleed I think I thought for a mini said their hearts aren't pumping there's no blood going through their veins Oh dead men don't bleed doctor took out a pin stuck them in the fingers blood starts coming out the guy goes Oh what do you know dead men do bleed and that's the problem we'll evaluate stuff according to what we already believe if you don't deal with their presuppositions that's what you're gonna get Tenth Avenue north with losing here on Wow 90.9 good morning I'm Jeff in the
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studio with me we've got Eric Hovind Eric we've had you in here before good morning thanks good morning Jeff great to be here and we've got sy Bergen cut is that 10 Bergen case 10 Bergen Kate I send up a totally butchered ass all right so Eric introduced sy hey my friend sy here's from proof that God exists that org a ministry up based up in Canada and they're actually doing a documentary and we had the privilege last night of doing a debate with the president of the American atheist Association David Silverman what's interesting and I'm sure we'll talk about this in the show what's interesting is they may they may seem
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incredibly intellectual yeah but then they will admit that they could be wrong about everything which undermines their entire position you got to save that for the next that was a huge deal so I just really put David Silverman in a tough spot [Music] [Music] without further ado I would like to
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welcome everyone to the show first of all we have someone by the name of David Silverman he's actually the president of the American atheist Association and he is joining us tonight and I would like for him to say hello hello everybody nice to meet you nice to see you and thank you for having me on the show that's it's wonderful to have you David and I'm hoping that we can answer the question and I'm sure that it's going to
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be much variegated tonight the topic is morals and like morality among people is always changing like religion before and like who tell us that interracial marriages weren't right but like that was like totally immoral but like our morality changes as we move on as generations go on a science develops so like religion is not sufficient enough to hold on to like the changing values that we have as a people okay so you're telling me basically that religion is false no it's not no no but no but the thing is you brought up the term false in your analogy that these things that
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they believe are false so you believe in the concept of truth and falsity I don't think you don't think anything is true yeah is that true I just like to know from mr. Silverman if he could be wrong about everything he claims to know if I could be I could wake up in the matrix tomorrow see now that's not look look look when you're getting into this when you use the word no in that sense you're you're using two definitions at the same
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time okay I could wake up in the matrix tomorrow okay the matrix could be true I can't prove it's not I could wake up in the movie tomorrow and then oh my goodness reality has changed that could happen do I want to know with 100% certainty that that's not going to happen no I don't does that mean the matrix is actually plausible no it doesn't you're a cop and there's one cop town you're the only cop all right every Friday night you get a
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call from the local pub Bob the drunk is drunk again so you go down to the local pub sure enough Bob the town drunk he's drunk again you pick them up you pour them into your cruiser you take him to your station to sleep it off overnight it's just a small station you know good enough for one person you put them in there to sleep it off Friday night and as is your standard because you know it so it's a small town you take the cruiser home for the night take it home to your wife you know and you then you go back Saturday morning because he's sobered up to let him out on the way back to the station you stop with the dry cleaner because you had some
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uniforms in there that would clean and press you hang them in the back of your cruiser now you go to the station bob was sobered up you get him to sign the paperwork you release them for the day by the Saturday morning you're all the way back at the station so you go upstairs to do some paperwork and you're working on that paper till around noon and you figure out it's time to go you go downstairs you go outside and your cruiser is missing but it's such a small town if you're always probably those Baker boys those Rascals they took they're gonna bring it back that's how small this town is and you're not worried about you don't
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call it in you haven't have a bicycle at the station because you're gonna have a cyclist if you go I'll take my bike home today so you take off your uniform you put on your little spandex outfit your helmet with a little mirror on it you know you get on your ten-speed bike and you start going on the highway and you're a siren getting pulled over by a cruiser your cruiser outstep Bob wearing your neatly cleaned and pressed uniform
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comes up to you and says mister you are speeding I know with 100% certainty that God doesn't exist I know that with exactly the same certainty that I know that Santa Claus doesn't exist now if Santa Claus lands on my roof I'll believe do I think that's gonna happen no but you see the contradiction though when you say that you could be wrong about everything you claim to know and then you see you can know things for certain and let me explain that if you don't mind first certain is a relative term well the problem is you can be
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wrong about that that's the problem no I'm in here that uh it is wrong taking away the possibility that we could be you know in some sort of dream that you just think of that we could just dream up we have knowledge we know things and I know things and so do you how do you know anything and let's take as a generic knowledge claim the letter a how do I know a what's the answer well because a B how do I know I'm sitting here on my eyes are telling me how do I know my eyes are working properly well I went to an eye doctor and he checked
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them up he gave me a good clean bill of health so because of see I know a because of be because of see how do I know C well because of D how do I know D because of E you know where that ends not at the end of the alphabet it doesn't end it's an infinite regress I know a because of B because a see because of D on and on and on and on so in order to know anything at all you would have to have infinite knowledge you would have to end that infinite regress the only way to do that is with infinite knowledge who has infinite knowledge I don't you don't
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who has infinite knowledge God is infinite knowledge so in order to know anything at all you would have to know everything or have a revelation from someone who does that is the Christian world if you reject that then you cannot justify even one knowledge claim we know the temperature we know the ground solid you know there's a tree you know that buildings made of half concrete I mean okay so these are all little different truths we can't argue that they are not truths to
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be just okay so to know truth hang on let me this guy's he'd make it a good point my thing is though I don't need to be born I don't need to know God I don't know am I am speaking right I don't need to know any of that - can I can I show you why you do know I mean you can I show you what you're doing try but you won't okay so in order to know things you're employing your sense in your reasoning right did I know there's a tree there I know the ground is solid I know these things to be self-evident true you're employing your sense than your reasoning correctness how do you know you're sensitive reasoning or valid would you hang on
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because they they are valid okay would you agree that there's people on this earth who was invalid senses and reasons yes how would they know if they're invalid well after a while they find out they take the color blind test bill ago I think you find out that their reasoning is invalid sorry but they would need valid reasoning to find out that the reasoning is invalid if there's people who have been valid reasoning how do you know you're not one of those people because we all they with their things we
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all agree on us humans pretty much we all don't in them truth is by consensus yeah so if everybody agrees that got in this if we make it true that God exists everybody agree that the moon have made of green cheese the move you made of green cheese yeah you're boring from my world because in scripture the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge and if you admit that you could be wrong about everything you claim to know then you've given up knowledge and I'll explain why that is let's say somebody's asked over this before we finish I think that we were totally we're gonna cut
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each other okay hold on hold okay just just hold on and I was trying to explain that at that point he gave up knowledge but they cut me off for another 15 minutes finally got back to talk to him about that and I said this is how I explained that and I say let's say that somebody asked me the speed of the road outside the building where we're at now and I said it was 40 miles per hour but I could be wrong do I know it no I don't so when that fellow says I could be wrong about everything I claim to know he's given up knowledge and that's what we say unless you start with God you can't know anything and at that point you get you further to go into the
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gospel that you've exposed that you need Jesus Christ because Jesus Christ did not only die to save souls for eternity he died to save reasoning now because it's it's a fallacy it's self refuting to say I could be wrong about everything I claim to know because he could be wrong about that too when you say that you could be wrong about everything you claim to know you've given up knowledge to any degree now he says that he can be certain about things that I would ask him how he could be certain about things he would have to employ his senses and reasoning and I'd ask him how that he knows they are valid and if he could be wrong about everything he claims to know he can't know that they are valid and that's the problem mister you are
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speeding have folks that is an apologetic situation how do some people answer throw down their bicycle run into the bush I don't like dealing with the police I don't like arguing with the people other people oh man nice day isn't it you want to come to our pizza social Friday night or did they give evidence look there's no way I could've been speeding the speed on this road is 55 miles an hour the land speed record for this type of bicycle is 45 miles an hour
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look at my skinny legs there's no way I could have been speeding on that bicycle look at the gearing ratio this bike can't do 55 miles an hour I happen to know the land speed record for this type of bicycle on a flat surface with this much headwind is only 45 miles an hour and the speed on this road is 55 I happen to know a lot about the radar and that cruzar can even pick up bicycles not enough metal on and you win the argument what does Bob say oh man you're right you couldn't have been speeding I'm have a nice day gets back in your cruiser
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drives up what's the problem it's not your cruiser it's not your uniform belongs to the government Monday morning you've taken your bike back to the station district chief shows up where's your cruiser well Bob pulled me over here on Saturday but I won the argument where is your cruiser what's your boss gonna say neglect of duty neglect of duty I don't want God to say that to any of
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you thankfully Jesus Christ has washed us away from even our bad apologetic encounters but now that you have been equipped I hope that you go out and when the unbeliever comes and confronts you picked you to them in your uniform which isn't yours next to your cruiser which isn't yours and asked for some ID tackle the guy well not tackle them but you know Sam sorry you're not a cop I'm not giving you that authority I'm just talking I'm not gonna talk about like things I'm just talking about your argument right now is so just circular
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the whole time it's a circular reasoning fallacious so that's the same three questions or move it on that's fair people have heard this before he's talking about circular reasoning now why is sickly reasoning wrong because you altered your by certainly reason you are making things sound true that aren't true you're altering ideas talking about truth anymore now so we are regard agreed on that sorry you're altering whatever you're altering all these things and what we are saying to make it sound to make a go with your argument
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that's wrong it's wrong yes well we're talking we're not talking about truth anymore so now we're talking about logic I'm not having a logical argument somebody accuses you of vicious circularity what are they doing and now we're back to the one cop town the person standing there in your uniform next to your cruiser they're bringing a logical argument against you they're accusing your circularity who owns logic Jesus Christ they can't bring a logical argument against me they say your argument is circular what's wrong with that where do you get logic that forbids circularity
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in your worldview Greg that interjected as well and what I'd like to ask him that question just to get that on record could you be wrong about everything you claim to know again I I have I know where you're going with this I believe I addressed everything is that yes we all can be wrong about everything that we claim to know including you and Eric but you're inserting God in as a virtuous circle into your circular just trying to address it before it comes up because
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it's a big sidetrack that we can get caught up in quite some time right but before we go on though when you say you could be wrong about everything you claim to know you said yes the very next thing out of your mouth was a knowledge claim about me and if you could be wrong about everything you claim to know then you can't know what I can know you've given up knowledge so any further discussion tonight presupposes my worldview because you would have to be intellectually dishonest to say that well we're gonna allow us to finish our thoughts right you'd have to be intellectually dishonest to claim that
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an all-knowing all-powerful being could not reveal things to us such that we can know them for certain so according to my worldview I can have certainty and the two of you have denied knowledge you've given of knowledge so really any further discussion is going to be based on the truth of my world because the thing is people say give me proof that God exists the proof that God exists what I'm you can't know anything but people knows that you know but they reject them and the thing is the Bible says the fear of the Lord is acknowledged when you reject God you can't come for anything you think to not ask these people could give Euron when
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they're Duke Leto and they say yes I could that's exactly what the bike you just given apology but you kind of live that way you're at the University where you come to notice that fellow said I come to get closer to the truth and I see what is truth about God he had no answer he's here to get closer to the trip because he knows he's suppressing the truth like what's your true truth is what's your truth I don't sir your truth is a fallacy what series I'm asking about yours we're not talking about me it's about you you're on the stage with your truth to the force your truth I don't have a true
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sir you have no truth your life is pretty true purpose in whatever conformed to the mind of God are you saying that you believe in evolution sir of course I do okay screams if asleep do you believe that your thoughts are the byproduct of your evolved brain yes hundred percent okay if I got a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of dr. pepper and I shook them up and I open the mega start to fizz that fish would be the byproduct of a chemical reaction right sure would it make sense to call one of those fishes true one of those things it's false you see it wouldn't make sense you're right you know why because it just isn't
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brain fish but of our thoughts are just brain foods you can't call something reactions are different one chemical reaction is completely different that's right a bottle of soda but our thoughts are the byproduct of chemical reaction in the evolutionary world yeah I how do you get truth from that where do you get true significant road signs there is no trail is that true sir what if there isn't it's absurd to hypothesize that there is no truth because the question is seem true
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people ask me how do I know that this Bible is true I'll tell you I know this Bible is true because if you reject you can accept your question I am going to the arrogantly assert that it's absolutely impossible that I am wrong about everything I know I think that is an absolutely absurd impossibility I know that I exist and I can't possibly be wrong about that it's just not even possible I know that my experience even if inaccurately perceived is still nonetheless absolutely my experience and
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I know that and I know that absolutely when we go from can you be absolutely certain about everything - you can't be absolutely certain about anything you have made a jump of logic there that is horrendous when you claim that you know that you exist can you are you using Descartes syllogism there I think therefore I am no how do you know that you exist then because my own consciousness but you realize you're making the question you say my own when you say my own you're begging the question you're assuming
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that you exist when you say my own consciousness you're assuming existence and debating the question did you said he was assuming your worldview for you to even tell me that I'm assuming right but the thing is I can make sense of that right I can make sense of your existence according to my worldview I'm asking you how you make sense of your existence according to your well let me ask you about your world well you're actually out of the discussion because you said you could be wrong about everything you claim to know hold on
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yes oh really the debate was over right there and then what we did is we just continued to point out every time they would say yes Church is harmful because and they've done and all you have to do is just run yeah is say but you could be wrong yeah that undermines their entire argument yeah well needless to say they got tired of they don't like that the problem behind Christianity really is that they not only claim the stories to be true but that they claim the stories to be perfect and when science discovers
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that those ancient myths are wrong what Christian religion often does is dig their heels in and say no no no our book is perfect when they start saying that they're perfect when they start saying that science is wrong they've taken a step further they've actually gone from spreading a lie to spreading ignorance they've actually got people convinced that evolution didn't happen we know it
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did it's absolutely proven 100% proven side by the way but you can be wrong about that yes we can we can we can be sure about that well you said you could be wrong about everything so you could be wrong about that yeah I realize that but we're allowed to interact so continue yes so it's beyond just spreading lies it's not it's beyond just spraying the lie that God exists that there's a man in the sky but now the Christian Church specifically has
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said no no that went between no that which we have learned to be true that which we have proven true is wrong what really happened is that Noah sailed down to Antarctica put the Penguins back in it's beyond the the grotesque stories as morality and claiming it to be good and it's it's into the realm of interfering with the progress of the American people that's
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wrong I explained the issue with this yes when you bring up biblical stories like that you're assuming a standard of morality which is above or outside of the Bible and I'm saying outside of Scripture you don't have a standard of morality by which you can judge those things now these are great questions for a Bible study but I don't do Bible studies with atheists I do Bible studies with Christians and go on the authority of God's Word and why why would you not do a Bible study with an atheist because we're talking about the Word of God here yeah but somebody was giving up knowledge why would you not do a Bible
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study I will proclaim the truth of scripture to an atheist but when somebody says I could be wrong about everything I claim to know I'm not going to study the Bible with them because they could wrong about that in its sin do you think that Jesus ignored the atheists I don't think he I don't think he's the gospel to them but did he eat with the sinners and drink with the sinner right well we're here wash their feet bow before them right but let's get back to the topic at hand these things that you call immoral and when people say these things were immoral of God you know that's exactly what happened in the Garden of Eden what did Adam and Eve do they said
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well God said this Satan said this I'm gonna decide and that's exactly what people are doing today but when when they judge God in Scripture and I say if you don't like those things that happened in Scripture if you're an unbeliever and you die in your sin stick around but but the point is you're interesting it's a warning it's a warning you know morality what is your standard by what you call anything immoral I know bears ripping apart children based on
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what standard based on what standard Misty's over my standard and you could be wrong about that no I can't well thanks for contradicting yourself yet again sigh go ahead oh wait a minute you've given up knowledge sorry according to your worldview or you have access to it and I'd like to know how you know that how do I know that God makes you you know do you know how I can know things for certain and I'll explain this to you and it's gonna be you know
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maybe a quite big revelation to you how I know things for certain the same way you do because we all know this God that exists and you have to have all knowledge or revelation from a God who has all knowledge to know anything or you could be wrong about everything you claim to know what you've given you know that and that's what happened that's what happened tonight well as Christians we know things by and through revelation from God you see I can use my senses and reasoning to come to knowledge because I know that I'm created in the image of God I know that he's given me the ability to know things through my senses and reasoning people will say well you have to you need your senses to read
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scripture yeah well I say can't God use my sense and reasoning to real things to me through scripture sure he can and if you can't know anything you have no objection to that these people know that God exists that's what Romans 1 says but they suppress the truth in unrighteousness they're suppressing the truth what do you have to have in order to suppress the truth you have to have the truth instantly your eyes would fill with tears blood would pour that weren't very real to you
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okay whether or not anybody else wants to say it's in a matrix that's fine right but I assure you it will be extremely real okay I know that that would hurt because I've done to me okay I asked you for one thing you know and you made a knowledge claim about the future you said if I go and do this this will happen I want to know how you know the future cause and effect okay now the thing is do you know what people say because it's always been like that in the past I know the future because of
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the past making the question and I'll explain why that's a fallacy because if you say I know the future because of the past guess what you just proven I'm never gonna die because I've never died in the past and I'm a lot of other people except for one thing I've never died it's ridiculous what I want you to do is imagine a town called the lotto town 10,000 people in this town every day they have a lottery
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and everybody in this town gets a ticket imagine on day one certain person wins the lottery imagine on day two same person wins the lottery imagine on day three the same person wins the lottery at this point the Atheist says I'd say something's up something's been rigged I said oh you're a riggis but when the Sun comes up every day you're in a Rigas you think it just happens that way how come in the lottery example you're a riggis but in the world you're in a Rigas you don't believe in God who's controlling the universe see in order to do science
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you're borrowing from the Christian worldview because you can't even do science unless you start with God for the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof who owns science who owns logic who owns morality Jesus Christ we don't give them to the unbeliever so they can argue against our worldview well let's get back to my question what is your ultimate authority oh I really asked no I'm asking dr. Jones okay I can't say that I have an
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ultimate authority well what is your final arbiter as to what is true in Scripture I can answer well I'd like to ask dr. Jones but he's making a lot of knowledge claims about scriptures well and I'd like to know what his what his ultimate just in just a minute one of the things that I would avoid first of all is the idea of calling it Scripture that's fine what is your I thought I think that has an extreme bias number one I would simply say I I can't honestly say that we have enough
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indexical and deictic elements within the read itself to say x y&z about most of it and so when you claim that it is your authority I would ask you to provide me with the indexicality and deictic elements that are necessary to have a meaningful understanding of it if it please have a vide that is it true that that's necessary it's true that it's necessary if you are to understand X Y or Z about any linguistic mindset because without linguistic and
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non-linguistic elements you can go nowhere and you can make no claim whether it be knowledge ex wife okay and so you're trying to pontificate an issue of knowledge without having knowledge of how this actually works that makes absolutely no sense so I'm asking for indexicality iMacs asking for deictic elements of the text and I'm simply all ears here he's provided me with them well you've made a truth claim and you said that you have no ultimate standards so when you say that it's true that this is required I'd like to know what is the standard by
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what you call anything true well see I think you're dancing up think you're playing I really know that but I think you know you're watching it well if you're trying to move these people emotionally you're doing a job I'm simply asking you questions that you can answer you can't I don't understand your question well that's what I'm saying these days the questions a different person in more layman's English you could but you've already said you could be wrong but I've been you claimed to know so okay that's fine I'm sorry we've
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got to stop with this cheap trick of you could be wrong it's old we need to move on you're disrespecting okay thanks for your time guys thank you get off the stage say I mean basically they were saying hey sigh you can't use that argument it's not you know basically this is a powerful weapon and they're soon put down your powerful weapon put down your atomic bomb to our worldview and sighs you go into a discussion they have a peashooter you bring a gun and they're saying oh you can't use that gun you know that that gun is a nuisance I don't like that gun so what most Christians do they throw it away say okay or do they give it to the unbelievers yes you can have knowledge
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you can have truth you can have logic you can have all these things that belong to Jesus Christ and you can use them to argue against Jesus Christ I will not allow that yeah I will not allow the unbeliever to to use the weapons of Jesus Christ to argue against the Lord that I adore now if you argue with an unbeliever assuming that they can know things without God you've lost before you started see it's like getting in the unbelievers airplane you could talk about whatever you want you can even win the argument but you're going to the unbelievers destination don't get on that plane don't give up your
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authority the problem is it's not a cheap trick the problem is you got somebody who's denied knowledge and now wants to make knowledge claims you've got somebody that's asking you what's your ultimate authority and is saying I don't have one Jesus when he sent out his disciples he said go and make disciples of all nations that's not what he said go therefore and make disciples of all nations something had to come before that go therefore all authority in heaven and on
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earth has been given unto me go therefore and make disciples we forget the beginning we forget that Jesus is the authority but we deny that and we try to argue for his authority who's the authority in these books in these arguments it's not Jesus Christ it's man see we try and argue for the authority of Jesus Christ but we deny it when we do it we're not arguing for Christianity tonight let's not believe in the authority of the Bible merely because the Bible claims to be true and we're not going to use the
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Bible to show you that evidence what can you not use to prove that the Bible is true the Bible you cannot argue for Christianity by giving up Christianity that's right now are you gonna say that you have to posit a God to have certainty what are you saying that in the only way you can have certainty is composite a being that can give you certainty because I am certain in yourself just like you are serving
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yourself that God exists I'm infallible all-knowing being you're appealing to yourself I mean you don't know if you're in the meat party now I knew you have mitigate okay see this is very interesting it's like when people reject God they make themselves God no he's saying how do you know I'm not an infallible being not only does here tuck that again no reason the elevates himself to the position my reasoning is the reason why the stuff doesn't work you say I can't be certain of anything because it's based on my own reasoning but you can't be certain God exists because you reading the Bible is based
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on your business I can have certainty right I can say you have certainty if you know God exists right but the fact that you think I exist is based on there's no reason so nobody can have certainty no break-in that's because you
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know that God exists and you're suppressing the truth in unrighteousness you need to repent you see we're not talking about the complexity of the eye here we're destroying worldviews and that's why I tell people don't be a jerk about it you know this is this is the example I gave I said let's say there's a the unbeliever is like an airplane going through the air and you're firing holes in that in their worldview that airplane is coming down and you're a jerk bub did not come into you to talk about the gospel they're ditching and like Hindu or Lake Scientology but you want them to
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come to you and to and tell them why their world use absurd cuz they don't start with Jesus Christ I don't believe in good to get a help I don't know if I'm gonna go to heaven but you know III like I said I live in the world of I don't know I don't know who knows that we could have all be in the matrix right now you know I know I don't know anything you don't know anything I don't know a thing you know that you don't know a thing see this is all just cut it's all
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nonsense nonsense and that's what happened in your deck guys this is the fear of the Lords of your knowledge I think I know you know I know that you know you got dressed but I understand the things you have to reduce yourself to notice certainty it's rejected out that you know Oh God see and that's the option and that's what I'm presenting today the option to God or absurdity and you know what you're saying I choose absurd [Music] everybody wants a method methodology for
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this apologetic and I say well I'll give you a method it's the to move checkmate no matter what the person says that disagrees with scripture first move that's not what the Bible says no matter what the objection is that's why this apologetic drives you back to Scripture no matter what they say think of any objection that you hear out on the street people even know as art are you kidding me all those animals on that boat what you believe in a talking donkey you don't believe the flood no so you don't believe the Bible is true know
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what the most Christians do all the ark was so many qubits there was so many floors they're probably baby animals and there's plenty of room because there only so many kinds of animals at the time plenty of room to fit them all on the earth evidence evidence evidence you're making them the judge that evidence is wonderful scriptures for Christians but I don't do that someone says to me you believe Noah's Ark I say yeah I said you don't know you don't believe it's true no where do you get truth without God and then you see the absurdity where to get truth without God
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that's not what the Bible says where'd you get truth without God and it's over and that works for any objection to scripture okay I lost my cool are you a Christian I am so I'm just curious as to why you stopped me if it felts me a little bit like my logic was well the thing is I
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didn't insult well I think the Cohasset but they felt insulted of cork in the world he was demolished that's the view well they denied knowledge and made knowledge claims that's why they're insulted and that's why you see the thing is they wouldn't be insulted if I talk with the new today if I elevate them to the position of judges they won't be insulted but thank God will be insulted we and I would rather insult them than God there'll be to our especially to have you can't end it by getting them to admit they don't know anything sure I can see you can but you're gonna
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attach my dear anything I understand that however I'd rather drive you crazy then insult the Lord that I adore I'm not here to please you I'm here to please my lord do you think that I should have entertainment lifts them to the position of judge I think that if we're going to say that wasn't condescending to us very much can you explain that to me you believe that they believe in God and they're just denying it that's what scripture says well no well that is what your translation scriptures okay can you
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translate Romans 1 when it says they're without excuse q can you explain how you translate that the same then who is the day they it's unbelievers what do they not believe they profess unbelief and God oh and Paul said they he was talking about unbelievers who was he talking about when you were going he was talking about atheists he was talking about anybody who denies that got it who was the letter to well okay let me ask you this question 4:12 what what is your ultimate standard of truth is it Scripture no it is not okay well then
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you're not a Christian okay well so can we have a conversation we can have a conversation however I will have to treat you as an unbeliever okay but if we look at as we look at Paul as a piece of literature can we do that no absolutely not I went up but the Word of God up to you to determine whether it's true or not now if I ask you the question who is Paul writing a letter to it's okay not since you denied scriptures your ultimate authority what is the standard of truth by which we you will judge my answer I will judge you by it by
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plausible no no no no thanks yes what is your standard of authority by which you will determine what I say is true or not yourself Paul wait pause bed but he wrote the letter well it's the author okay how do you know that this is Paul an apostle yeah I realize that but how do you know that what's your standards be ready you read so you're the standard of truth we're talking about that piece of literature for where where it says Paul the Apostle right Romans so you have made a determination that your the fundamentals arbiter of what is true and what is
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false is that correct I'm saying Paul no a piece of wood that's right can we understand it as english-speaking people can we understand this English translation I'm saying that that discussion takes place among Christians not among people who cannot account for truth or knowledge and that's for a Bible study and you're the judge a person I'm not a judge of who Krishna's a spinach is the way you interpret scriptures no not the way a stricture is the search using the truth of scripture Scripture it is your interpret a relevant relevant irrelevant
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perfectly is that true okay what is truth in your worldview truth in my world yes what is truth you don't have to think about that because there was a time one woman when I believe what you did the truth was the Word of God and everything that is that great now I'd like to know what truth is well let me just let me just explain to you a certain transitional because I can no longer go in the wrong way I can no longer accept a piece of literature that people claim as one piece of literature and a one-handed says hate your enemies and on the other hand says love so you
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went from God being the authority to you being the authority correct the the Bible implodes when you look at the contradictions so you are the authority now you went from God being authority to you being Authority is that correct I can tell you what is not what is not an authority okay but you're the authority on what is something that contradicts us so well I'm saying it's not contradictory certainly yeah well you're the authority on that well okay let me ask you this buddy the authority is why are contradict is not allowed well because that's that's an element of truth okay but you told me you told me
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that you don't know what truth it's not your timing it's an element oh you're telling me that you know what it is why what is truth does truth contradict itself it does not then why does the Bible country it doesn't believe it's true certainly it does is that true sir yes what is truth in your world here the truth is the Bible too contradicts itself what is truth I'm not asking you what a truth claim is I'm asking what your standard of truth is I mean when it's true it seems like when we start to get to the meat of things this one that this one on the show is that as we start to get some right things we'll avoid it you played a game you have to have a standard of truth to evaluate my aunt
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actually won't let me answer that question no no I mean I'll let you we're playing games with the idea is that true well I realize you say that's a game and that's why you stopped me but the reason you start me is you have the same issue at the atheists you can answer these questions and they're difficult but I can't answer these questions to some being honest is it true that your being on do you believe that you know is it true that you're being honest you believe that you know what truth is is that true that's your claim is that true you are a magician with cars you think so is that true is that true
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absolute is that absolutely true absolutely okay great what is truth in your world here truth is not the description it's not script okay what is it I'm not asking what it isn't if you know what it isn't you have to know what it is no I don't oh is that true that you don't have the net don't you don't yes I don't well you see the folly what happens when you deny the truth of Scripture I mean you deny that is your authority no if I stand right here and I say do you see that that he believes that scripture is truth that you can't
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validate that claim are you gonna edit that out no no because you're making the truth plain you've given up crew it's nonsense what you say there's no need to edit it out how you get that's gold Romans 1 applies to all world you see there's only only two world these there's God and there's not God there's God and there's not God how many gods are there there's only one God that's what scripture tells us so if you don't believe in the Christian God you're not a theist you're an idolatry and I treat all not God worldviews the same way
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since you reject the god of Christianity how do you know what you know sir I don't believe that you're a Christian from the things that you've said too so you're not going to say I will I will but I want to get my peace out first I'm saying that if you deny God at your authority you're not a Christian I urge you to repent and I and I thank you for having me on the show God is my authority that's right I say deny God is my authority when you said that you were I didn't say that I was well you said you didn't have one and when you say you don't have one it's
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denying God is the authority is that true sir I'm simply saying it I don't have to concede to your mindset plain word key it's not a linkage is that true you're playing a game what is truth in your world you sir what what you're trying to do is you're trying to take an argument and trying to play the shell game what is truth that's right man don't think what I think is important I asked you specific questions on this show that you could not answer you could not give me I didn't understand your questions that's about
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the point my point is you're trying to say I have a proof and it's this scripture and you don't have I'm saying an inkling of what it said I'm saying that that makes no sense oops that God exists is that without him you can't know any you're making an argument without being illiterate in this thing you're making couth claims and you haven't told us what your standard truth is yet what you're trying to do is you're trying to set up something that is really spurious is that like I said it's it's just you're making a claim sir
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I urge you to repent and go to the tone of what repent of your denial of the God you know exists repent of about what elevating I intend to sell know you don't he's not your standard of truth I hear your own standard of truth no you don't you deny the Lord that I adore where do you get your hair would I get my energy we do you drink when people insult my lord that's where I get me a hug Monday I'm not gonna hug your neck so you need to repent I need to repent because I love Jesus with all of my you
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don't love Jesus so Jesus but your your alternative you love an idol that you've created I've created Jesus that's right you created an idol because you're the authority as to what he said I really see no point you're saying I have an authority but I'm in the litter doesn't make sense oh the thing is why do you guys are saying your nonsensical because you denied truth that's a huge og nonsense that Jesus spent time and heels I'm saying that's a discussion you have with Christians who can account for truth not with people who say truth I don't have an idea you know there's no need to answer me because you
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don't consider me a Christian no I'm not I say you need to repay the things have you say look I don't have a clue that really leaves you it let's escape for can know what I'm saying I'm saying a very on ik if you admit that you can have truth without Christ without God if your authority I'll talk with you about anything when you better you can escape for any time you get challenged you just say is that truth and you can you just walk right out of our that's right you know the countable me I'm gonna kind of with my lord and that's why I'm here doing that answer amen amen I mean you're not gonna you're not gonna
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answer anybody with respect I think I think okay let me let me ask this question if persons walking towards a cliff he's about to jump up and you have somebody saying you know it's a really nice day jesus loves you and stuff like then somebody says you might want to stop and turn around there's a cliff in front of you who is the more loving person well I want this man to answer here's the more loving person somebody's walking towards a cliff somebody comes up to you says Jesus loved you know if somebody says there's a cliff in front of you stop turn around where's the more loving person would it be safe to assume that what you're trying to say sir who's
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the more loving person can I answer it without giving you yes or no no yeah okay Paul go ahead I mean is it true that you're trying to set me up for oh I may be going to hell and you're the more loving person who will stop me from going to hell yes that's true and so you're gonna stop me from going to a I'm not gonna stop going more simply you're gonna warn me based upon something that you have no sin tag Matic North is that true paradigmatic analysis is that true
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that I'm saying that provide it to me and prove to me that you have you're telling me that I don't have it your tummy they don't have a neck saying I'm simply saying if you have it produce it to me give it to me give it to me right now I'm all ears but the thing is give it to me give it to me right now prove to these people give it to me first of all can't give it to me cuz I don't understand what you're saying you don't have the only was probably seen and you're trying to tell me about my various idea that they inserted hell and God's gonna burn people what for slander Matty what's the standard by what you
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make that judgment you just look at the base and you are your own standard you've elevated yourself above God and that's why you need to repent you're often victorious with exhaustion don't edit that out I mean you want to make it I want you to repent that's what I want come on you're trying to say that he'll exists and you have no proof can you be wrong about that No so you're absolutely certain the fiscal evident that the no where is the
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physical evidence for hell where is the linguistic evidence of hell you can't go anywhere where we have sent AG Matic and paradigmatic analysis that would suggest the hell and yet you spend this line where do their attention where do your evidence in the second world in court would you give evidence to in court I'm simply asking for anyone to give you find someone who will give me that kind of analysis and I will believe in hell of course who do you give evidence to in court the judge and jury you're asking
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me for evidence and I will not elevate you to the position of judge what your God is avoiding the question because you can't say that there's a real cliff there's no one who would gently say that there is an analysis and I Helen I did not help I think that your expertise and how is about 30 years premature sir why are you so hateful sir you said you admitted that if there's a clown is not existent it's a myth it's a lie I
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believe that you need to repent do you believe in seder I believe that you know Cedar Creek very slippery term of the church it's not even a literate trend I heard you say that you say oh it's stupid it's it's a really stupid repentance of stupid intensity oh please get me on camera as stating repentance is actually a failed meta language of theology anyone who spins the idea of repentance is
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illiterate very alliteration is that clear enough very clear sir very clear that man is going to hell unless he repents and if not for the grace of God that's us you see we have to love them they're enemies of God don't get me wrong this is a battle that we're in but we love them we show our love to them you see in the first Peter 3:15 it says to do this with gentleness and respect if you go to the local department store and you buy a Nerf ball there's not a
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whole lot of warnings with it you go and buy a gun and you have a list of warnings why because you're dealing with something that's powerful something that's dangerous first peter 3:15 do this with gentleness and respect so you're not talking about the complexity of the eye you're destroying the worldviews and one thing that i've really actually enjoyed about this project is that when I talk to people I don't get in on their eyes and I don't see what's happening and since I'm a Christian I don't realize what's happening inside and have to be more sensitive to that because I watched some of this video and you could see their eyes and you can see that their worldview is crumbling you have to be
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there and show them the hope in Jesus Christ their only hope is you don't you don't crush their worldview and just walk away that would be inhumane what I urged to do is change your mind about God and I don't know if you heard me explaining it earlier but to change your mind the Greek is metanoia it means to repent to change your mind about God now the question is how do you change your mind about God you can't repentance is the gift of God and that's another thing that the Roman Catholic Church doesn't teach you have to do work for it but the
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Bible says that dependence is the gift of God so if this pricks your heart at all I urge you to go home put your face in the carpet and beg God to change your mind about him to change your mind about the way you live your life so that you knew the things that he loves you do the things that he wants you to do and that's where proclaiming here today you know and it's no accident you're standing here talking to us today God is sovereign over all it's no accident and you know the Bible talk to a sheep and talks about goats but one thing it never says it that go to comes
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[ __ ] but Jesus Christ said my sheep hear my voice and I hope and I pray that you're one of the Sheep I hope and I pray them so that you might be saved because if you're a goat then this is not good for you because you're only being fattening for the slaughter that's what the Bible says but I hope and pray that that's not the case I hope that Jesus Christ is speaking to your heart by the power of the Holy Spirit that you might repent and come to know him that you might come to have salvation that you might live life and live it abundantly because it's a gift of God and that's what I hope
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what was your name again Franco Franco would you like us to pray for you as a group tonight as well appreciate that's ok great ok so it's great to meet you don't you think about what we're saying ok thanks for stopping question could you be wrong about everything you claim to know you saying yes then how could you know that the stroke bro that's the knowledge claim but you gave up knowledge when you said you'll be wrong about everything
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you just said you could of course you can know these book oh good graces are they understood but do you know how do you know it as far as truth tell me with your logic and your reason confirm proof dimmest atheists with evolutionist thieves unless you start with God you can't make sense of anything no feet you live in the world of happenstance how could you but never spins when it comes to facts truth morality do the German and the reason in this
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oh crap really tell me how did you get all this truth Oh God Romans 1:18 [Music] 1823 without excuse you know God exists the God of the Bible but you won't serve shoot your own hide you wanna be God in my world pupil dilation surgery you're consistently cuz I know the only God who knows everything and you let me make confusion cuz you reject the King
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position without you can't know anything that's right you can know that we know things about all morning cuz without him you couldn't know nothing for certain all you get is foolishness from self-reliance the science can't prove that related to your science we do I know God exists Rochester couldn't make sense of that question speaker 5 you want evidence like you the judge and truly now the only judges Christ he is not on trial you say scripture contradicts and lacks true or
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contradiction and chupa don't make sense so you got me I'm down the priests up I say enough I mean teach me how to do it teach you how to do it teach me I do I can't well the thing is I'll teach you how to do it okay the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge and in Christ you cannot know anything at all unless you start with God go forth you

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