Angela White: I Am Angela

Angela White: I Am Angela

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[Music] [Music] welcome back Angela thank you for having me back it's so great to see you I always look honestly your last interview with me and if you guys haven't listened to it you really should go back and listen to it is like one of my top favorites of all time the couple times that I've been asked to submit episodes for review for one reason or
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another it's I always include that one thank you very much I always do so how are you it's been a while since you've been on right before last time you were here it was right before you hosted the AVN Awards correct and you [ __ ] swept the floor with all of your awards how many did you win I won I took home 14 awards including female performer of the year Wow you bring like a moving truck for all those Awards it was well actually I couldn't fit it all in my trunk so avian brought
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it back my dresses and other things so I had to go to the avian offices and then it filled my trunk you should have known better no I'm better to bring like it'd be actually hilarious if you showed up with like a little like detached like trailer oh you know I mean like this is for all my via Knorr that I know I'm gonna win well I had no idea that I was going to win any awards let alone that many that was assumed that you'd win at least one I had hopes obviously I worked really hard I did have hopes but you can
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never know what's gonna happen and you know I'd never want to jinx anything yeah I did I did work very very hard last year and this year so I I had hopes and winning performer of the year was incredible yeah huge honor and I was actually inducted into the a/v and Hall of Fame as well really really cool yeah and and how long have you been doing it I know you've been in the industry for a while but how long have you been doing like her course hot cool since 2011 okay
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yeah so that would be seven years good job Holly I'm glad you went to school okay so that's I mean I don't know if it's early to be inducted in the Hall of Fame it seems like it's a little on the early side I think you have to be in the industry for 10 years but I've been in the industry since 2003 right okay yeah okay so um I remember you actually were quite sick right before you went onstage it
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was awful and you powered through and it was funny one of the one the one of the things that I said on the last podcast right before I was hosting was you know there's nothing really I can do right now because I don't have my script all I have to do is make sure I stay well yeah and I ended up getting really really sick and I couldn't go to the convention beforehand I couldn't be on the floor I was sick in bed in my hotel in Vegas just saving my voice because I had acute laryngitis and I couldn't even really speak Wow yeah it was amazing that I ended up being able to get on stage that night and have a voice so I completely lost it
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by the end of the night when did you when did your voice come back like that day that morning I started to come back at the start of the week but every time I started to talk I started to lose it again so I realized I just needed to rest my vocal chords right not not speaking and like mine what you wanted I I texted everyone for posting everything yeah it was a very very exciting night yeah how was were you nervous like being in front of all those people on that
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stage yeah is it kind of a terrifying experience it wasn't terrifying but it was more I was nervous because I wanted everyone to have a fantastic night and part of my duties is to make sure the show runs smoothly yeah you know and it's a fun show so I I had nerves about that right um but everyone seemed to enjoy the show and it was an incredible yeah for for me and it was great to celebrate everybody's achievements for the year
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and yeah that's like a it's such a big deal the avian awards in our industry you know I know a lot of people like it means a lot to them to win and be nominated and you I'm sure we're nominated this year yes actually the nation party just happened last week so and some of the movies that I brought along for your patreon members we're actually nominated for awards including I am Angela which is the big showcase right this year which is
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nominated for best showcase I'm nominated again for female performer of the year which is exciting and then I did a number of other projects that got nominated Angela's women for is nominated for best old girl movie Angela by Darko I think it was six nominations nominations it received so yeah all up I received 12 avian Award nominations and my company received another six maybe an award nomination that's amazing yeah I think it's hilarious that you texted me in here like congratulations on your nomination I'm like what are you talking
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about clearly I'm so up on it you're like your movie when it got a nomination I'm like what movie then she tells me that what was it forbidden deal I didn't know what it's called and I'm like I don't know that movie and then you like text me the box cover and it's like it's my movie and it was like oh yeah right I forgot because I have an agency that like takes my scenes and kind of puts them together as a compilation and then
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like distributes them I guess through bones baby [ __ ] it attaches to cuz I had no idea I haven't seen the movie but it looks incredible the visuals on the book's cover beautiful even the caps on the back and it's an old stock house so congratulations on the nomination that you didn't realize you were saving I think it's you know because I shoot like scenes kind of here and there for my website I'm not as like focused on producing a final product the way that
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you are so honestly every year when my when my agency comes to me and they're like what do you want to nominate yourself for I'm like nothing honestly like nothing there's like I cuz you know I I recognize that people that are really doing incredible work in the industry and I just I'm not like trying to be down on myself I just got so I was just like but then I realized I actually should have nominated this podcast for best like mainstream thing I didn't think about that so I'll do that next year I
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just don't I don't know I don't really pay a ton of attention but and I didn't shoot any future movies last year but I'm shooting well I'm shooting for wicked next month so I'm definitely doing one this year and you know hopefully other stuff too so I think next year will be a little different but like this last year this last year sucked for me but let's not talk about me okay let's talk about you okay it's actually getting much better 2019 is gonna be fine
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I want but before we actually started this podcast I subject to the Angela to my like hiding Oreos in the bathroom problem so little idiosyncrasy yes yes we definitely do so I definitely talk about your showcase but before we get to that I want to talk about a couple other things that you've been doing I want to talk about the weight of infidelity yeah because I don't know I know I discussed
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it with Carla Lane when she was on but I don't think I talked to you about it no because it was filmed after we did the first right okay but we did I think it was inspired by your piece Becky that you wrote for us at Kara's ASSA erotica book right right which was an incredible incredible piece and you read it on the podcast and it was like I mean the way that you write is not only amazing but you read it really well with such passion it was a very powerful piece so tell me how you decided to take that and
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turn it into an actual scene well I got a lot of positive feedback from the chapter that I wrote and I decided that actually this would really work well as a scene obviously it needed to be adapted a little bit and so I wrote a script based off the chapter and I made it a little bit more taboo because I was submitting it to Bree Mills who runs pure to boot calm and so it it has a similar theme it focuses on body image in the way that that weight is often used as a weapon
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against both men and women but obviously my focus in this piece was was women and I wanted to use my position within the industry to create more inclusivity so when I cast the the film and and Bri gave me complete control over the cast I wanted to have true bbw performer and kala Lane was the first person to come to mind she's a she's a beautiful person both inside and out and turns out she's an incredible actress as well and I
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learned that very quickly with working closely with her for the weight of infidelity and it actually it's it's out it's available for free on p2p comm so I encourage listeners to to go and watch it and it was actually covered by Jezebel so it got mainstream media attention I got a lot of positive feedback from the adult community as well as the fans and it was really nice to make a porn featurette that had meaning you know that was powerful that
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that looked at topics that are controversial and not often the subject of adult entertainment yeah I gotta say honestly I really feel that that scene was probably my favorite project that anybody did this year and there was a lot of really amazing stuff that people came out with this year you know with you know Abigail's tissue showcase that was really amazing obviously your I am Angela piece which we will get to but that what that's what I loved about it
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was that it was the first time that I'd ever seen a porn scene and felt an emotional attachment to it and kind of wanted to cry yeah so can you actually tell the listeners exactly what the story is so I am in the in the story I'm married to Tommy pistol who is an incredible actor and adult performer and I'm married to him and it's an abusive relationship where he's using food as a
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as a form of power so he is controlling what I eat he's watching my weekly weigh-ins he's nitpicking me on everything everything that I put in my mouth and basically encouraging me to lose weight and no matter how much weight I lose it's not good enough for him on the flip side you find out later in the piece he's actually having an affair with Carla who is a much curvier woman and a bbw in this industry and he on the flip side he's encouraging her to gain weight
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so he is force feeding her he is engaging in a fetish called feederism which I'd like to point out quickly that feederism is not a form of abuse it can I mean obviously in this case it is being used as a form of abuse but it is a fetish that can be can you can be involved in the fetish in a way that is completely safe and healthy and sensual and sane but yeah it's almost like a spin-off of kind of an S&M it's like a Power Exchange kind of situation correct and
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Carla if you guys want to go back and learn more about that listen to my podcast with Carla lane she explains that whole thing in a lot better detail yeah and and this piece was not supposed to to shame feederism in any way this was and I don't feel that yeah no it was clearly he was using it in a he's engaging it in a way that is abusive and and not consensual and so the point of it is is that this man is on one hand encouraging his wife to lose weight and on the other hand encouraging his mistress to gain weight
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and so the point is that you know that weight is a weapon that that food has power that it's it looks at idealized body image and the way that it can have a negative impact on people's lives and I won't tell you the ending and why it's taboo but that's that's essentially it and it's very its emotionally charged but in the end of women are empowered together they end up taking revenge against Tommy so it's not pitting women against each other which I really think is important because a little scripts you get ORS like women fighting or
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female jealousy and yeah you know that's I don't want to portray that kind of negative woman-to-woman interaction yeah so instead of being angry at Carla obviously I'm angry at at Tommy the source of women yeah a problem right yeah so and Tommy's Tommy's obviously standing in for society and and and our views of beauty and stuff right so Tommy did an amazing job because he actually felt you know quite uncomfortable about the things that he was saying to me because he was you know commenting
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yes it's yes we're acting but he is commenting on you know things that I could perceive as real flaws in my body you know not being thin enough you know not being pretty enough not being disciplined enough and between takes he was apologizing to me for the things that he was saying and yeah and I could tell that it was really affecting him emotionally to play this really horrible character yeah and he did an amazing job do you feel that personal experience was something that led you to want to create
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this piece like do you feel that pressure of you know always having to be a certain way look a certain way especially because you're in front of the camera definitely I I can say that you know I'm in a place where I love my curves I'm very happy with the way that I look physically but I'm also as you know I'm a very critical person I'm very detail-oriented so I could I always look at myself and think of oh I could improve this I could improve that and we live in a society that has only recently started to embrace curves and thickness
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you yeah growing up I definitely thought I was too fat its society told me that my yes and and we even talked I won't go too far into it because I people can go back and listen to our our first podcast that we did together but you know porn was the first place that I saw my curvy body represented in a positive light in fashion magazines and on television and in movies whenever a curvier woman was represented it was not represented as positive right so I definitely grew up thinking that oh I need to lose weight oh my curves aren't good enough and it
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was through working and palmed that I realized oh you know there's a market for me people not everybody's gonna like my body that's fine but there is a huge market that does love my body yeah yeah I find it interesting I don't know I've said this before that you know we perceived woman to be to need to look and behave or whatever in a certain way you know through media and films and then like kind of when the internet came along and suddenly media became more controlled by the user because it wasn't
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just like you know when you watch TV you're pretty much like fed what media thinks they want you to see and then you're like oh that's that's what's right that's what I need but then like when the internet came along I'm especially social media it almost I feel almost like the consumer like got more of a voice and was able to choose what they actually liked and so media started to recognize that and like follow that path so now that's why I feel like you see in a lot of ads they're trying to
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represent you know women of different body shapes and sizes and you know different sexual orientation all that kind of stuff I feel like the internet really like kind of pushed all of that forward and just I don't know just opened up doors for people to be like you know what this is not what I like this is what I like and and I'm this is acceptable and I don't know it's just it's so different because you know I'm older so I was around before the internet came along and I just like things have changed so fast
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yeah and it's amazing it's really been a democratization of desire and a democratization of you know people's body types you know we're fought you see far more diversity even in mainstream media now yeah she's fantastic yes yeah yeah and another thing that I've noticed and you know definitely pertaining to what we were just talking about is how you seem to feel like you have like a social responsibility in your content you know like you're not just trying to produce porn that you
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know is titillating and and sexual but like there's there's a social conscious behind everything that you do so can you maybe talk about that well I realized that I'm in a I'm in a powerful position in a way like having this platform I have a large social media platform winning female form the year I have a responsibility to use my platform to make the world better even if it's just the small adult community and world and so
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obviously the weight of infidelity was one thing that I did this year I really wanted to I wanted to showcase curvier bodies as well with Karla I wanted to bring her into a space that was a more mainstream adult space than I wanted fans to to see her body and to to to be exposed to different types of bodies there's obviously I did my first trans scene this year which we can get to that's in my showcase I am Angela and I feel like the industry is really
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starting to be far more accepting of trans performers trans rights there's less stigma there's still a stigma but it's getting better so I decided to do my first trans scene with Chanel Santini for this big movie and obviously I'm I try to represent a positive sexuality you know I I get got into this industry to express and explore my sexuality and I I'm proud of what I do which is one of the reasons that I chose to use my real
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name I don't think that I should be ashamed of being a sexual person and I hope that through me being proud of what I do and showcasing a way to to live a life where you can be proud of your sexuality I hope that that encourages others to be proud of their sexuality and to to live honestly and openly and not to be scared of you know the shame and the stigma which is there but if you only have one life yeah say yeah I
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should live your truth yeah it's been really incredible to see women like you taking you know this message and using you know porn as a platform for it which is just so different I mean porn before was always you know this dirty seedy underbelly of media and you know it was just to you know get guys hard and and that's it but now it's like it's become so much more complex and there's you know there's a message behind it now and it's just like it's
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it's evolved into something so much bigger than just porn and it's been a such an exciting thing to witness yeah and I mean pretty much everybody watches porn so it is actually a very powerful platform yes and it's also powerful because when people are watching porn they're often masturbating and when you're masturbating and you receive messages when you're in that pleasure zone you know it's it's a you know it can kind of seep in and because it is an intimate vulnerable time right I mean
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people always like you know privately well not everybody but I'm saying it's like a private moment where you lock your bedroom door and you put on headphones or you know your roommates you her god but your mom to walk in or something like that so it is this private intimate moment so yeah I could see how like it is this this vulnerable time that you could be you know giving people not only pleasure but you know I don't like teaching them a morality lesson but there's like there's almost something to that there the way I say it is more giving them the opportunity to
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think of giving the opportunity of to see different ways of being or different ways of exploring their sexuality different ways of experience in the world different ways of interacting with people so even if it's like for example I've had fans that have been following me since 2003 fans that you know just started following me because they like big breasts never expecting that I would do a trance ain't and now because they've followed me through this time they may have never expected to enjoy watching a transient themselves but
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because they're my fan they've committed to watching the movie and then suddenly they watch it and well there goes to a different you know a different kind of sex that they end up enjoying you know I just like I like that there's this in that vulnerable space where you're masturbating you're open to new ideas and it's in the privacy mostly of your own home and so yeah I just I just I like being exposed to myself I like being exposed to different ideas in different ways of being and and um I hope that my fans do too have you had
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any feedback from any of your fans who've said you know before I would have never watched a trans scene or I would have never watched a bbw scene or something like that but then I watched your because you were in it and I've found that maybe that's something I could be into yes I've had a lot of feedback like that that's gotta be kind of an amazing experience to just feel like you're changing people's minds about what they find sexy yeah and opening people's you know opening these pathways to different I don't know kind of different sexual
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preferences yeah and that's why I feel like I have a responsibility with this platform as well to do something good with it if I can leave the industry not that I have any plans I'm doing so anytime soon you make us look good but if I can leave knowing that I've had a positive impact right not just on my life I've already had an incredibly positive impact on my own life through through being part of this amazing community but if I can expand that and have a positive impact on other people's
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lives that's incredible to me yeah yeah I'm using okay well we're gonna take a really short break we're gonna hear from our sponsors and then when we come back we're gonna talk about Angela White's showcase I am Angela all right everybody we are back and we are going to talk about Angela's new movie I am Angela if you're watching the video it's right here and um I wanted to up first about the cover just because I'm looking straight at it it's a very modest cover
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you're wearing a turtleneck yes you're hiding like you know your two largest assets so and you have very little makeup on so is there I know that you do everything deliberately there's a reason behind everything that you do so why shoot this cover in this way well I really wanted the cover to be me more like classic portraiture then then then a porn cover and this movie is really it's a full-length documentary and this is far more reminiscent of a documentary
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cover than then a porn cover and this this movie is very humanizing and so by covering up you know the body and obviously the boobs and that's sexual overtly sexual nature of my physicality right it really forces you to look at my face and it forces you to look into my eyes yeah and I want you to see me as a person here not just as a sexual being I mean I'm I'm always gonna be a sexual being that's what that's a lot of Who I am and that's a part of that's part of really
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everybody every person but some people just choose to not acknowledge it yeah it's a large part of you yes it is I would say that I I'm always a sexual person even when we're talking about other aspects that don't seem sexual at the core of me is a very very sexual person but I don't want to be reduced to my sexuality it it is in everything that I do sex drives everything coding my academic work and my writing and
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everything cleaning the house I'm still like that you know that is just a drive for me but I don't want to be reduced to sexuality I want to I don't want to ever be reduced to my breasts right and so this cover reflects that I want you to oh and I want you to know by looking at this cover that you're gonna learn more about me very not just gonna focus on my breasts and the way they move we're not just gonna focus on the fact that I have sex with many people and maybe yeah you're gonna learn about me as a house and and yeah I think that it's
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successful in that yeah yeah and then the other cover which is these are both evil angels films by the way Angela by Darko a very different vibe very Spacey very artsy you're wearing a bodysuit that barely covers your boobs and then you've got all this glitter all over your arms and all the way up your neck almost like a turtleneck and then into your hair so what was the inspiration behind this interesting you notice I'm kind of both wearing turtlenecks on both go oh yeah totally together these these
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form a series for evil angel called a portrait of Angela white this is more of the humanizing documentary and this is more of the this is aesthetically driven right so this is and it's more so HT sequence for Angela by Doc Oh is visually stunning and really thought out it's very it's you did you end up seeing the trailer the yeah I mean you did some amazing like your solo tease if you had the indoor snow machine which
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was super cool you've always put a lot of focus on your on your T's stuff it looks really really great well once we get to the hog I'm a very hardcore performance so once we get to the hardcore sex the makeup goes yeah kind of it gets brown yeah Rosalind is our makeup artist and she did the makeup and you can see her diversity like yeah oh these covers she did the incredible makeup for Angela by daca which is I'm
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coveting glitter a very strong eye and then this natural makeup which is barely anything right right so I think yeah that very sneakily some dirty photos on the back here and the rest of you don't want to see it that is a lot of dick what's all over you and the silver that is that oil that is a combination of spit spunk Lube and squirt that was an anal squirt fest that
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Marcus Dupree Marcus Dupree he made me squirt over 30 times there to the point where I actually so most porn videos have a [ __ ] shot recap right I did a [ __ ] shot recap for that and I also because I I half edited this I had another person help me but I did a squirt recap squirt cap because there was so he made me squirt over 30 times so you know what [ __ ] shot recap is you put all that you edit it so you have all the [ __ ] shots together in a row so someone who gets off to just watching
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the [ __ ] shot straight to that so it's like an extra that you put on the DVD correct okay so yeah well now you learn something you know so there's a there's a cut recap where you can see one off to there and there's a lot of [ __ ] shots in this because I have there's a blower bang so there's eight guys that blow yeah there's there's eight [ __ ] shots there and then there's a five-guy gangbang so there's another five [ __ ] shot so you can imagine there's a lot of water come yeah there's a lot of [ __ ] yep and then but there's so much there's there's even more squirt in that one
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scene so Wow so I decided to put it all together so if anyone just wants he squirt over and over and over again basically like a loop like a boomerang all right although we do it in different positions so it kind of right we've got a little variety to it and that same got nominated for most outrageous sex scene for a V and I say because it's quite outrageous he fills my butthole up with over a gallon of Lube of spunk Lube that's that gooey oh this is a certain kind of Lou yeah it looks like what's
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called spunk right oh it looks like [ __ ] yeah yeah so he fills it he uses like an enema thing to fill it up and then I have like really bad like spatial awareness what's what's a gallon like that like two of these cups three of them it's a lot I'm actually like metric system but I just have of course it was Johnny was like we've got a gallon of spine okay let's fill it let's fill it some I know it was a gallon Johnny doctor told me but a lot yeah and every
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time he would make me squirt it would like projectile out of my ass holes where I was Wow it was very outrageous that is outrageous yeah that actually just funnily reminded me of my dream that I told you I was gonna tell you about earlier that I just remembered cuz I'm really good at turning these conversations and this thing about me we all want to hear about your sex dreams oh so just real quick and then we will go on to I am Angeles I'm really excited about that I had a dream the other night
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that I decided to do porn and I decided that my first scene was gonna be an interracial threesome and it was Isaiah Maxwell Robb Piper and some random dude I don't know who the third person was and I just remember it was yeah don't get excited people I'm not gonna do it but I'm just saying in my dream it was the most incredible experience ever and we shot the scene and I remember at the end thinking like it was way too short and I wished it had been longer and it was just I don't know it was like
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their penises were like magical did you do a DP they they are magical by the way I've had both of them I think so yeah I don't remember I've shot them together in a scene with Lisa and and it was pretty impressive but um yeah that was my dream and I was like [ __ ] that was rad that's your dream that's my reality I know right but I live vicariously through you so I thought okay so I am Angela yes there was um one big first in this movie
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your first TS scene with Chanel Santini yeah so why did you decide to do that for I am Angela because all your other first were for your own company yes all my other first except for my first boy-girl so my first anal my first DP my first gangbang my first double anal that's all been for agw entertainment which is my company right so but you did your first boy-girl before you started your company right correct okay so ever since I have had my own company every first has been for you for me right and obviously it was a big
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decision to give it to another company but my reasoning for that was well first of all this is this is a huge movie a huge undertaking and a very important project and I decided I'd already decided that I wanted to do my first trans scene but I've I've never shot a transient I have a lot of experience shooting anal scenes and gangbangs I know what positions to do I know I know what's required but I didn't know if that was going to be like a whole new different experience and then the other thing was was when I was speaking to
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able Chris who directed I am Angela when he said them could be a possibility that we could have Joey Silvera direct my first trans scene and for those of you who don't know who Joey Silva is he is a TS porn pioneer he is a legend in this industry and he's actually semi-retired pretty reclusive doesn't shoot much anymore so the possibility of having a legend like that shoot my very first trans scene was just incredible for me and yeah and and yes he did end up
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directing it and it was an incredible and beautiful sensual experience it was it was funny in the when you were interviewing him about it and when you were talking about it afterwards like the direction that he was giving you was very confusing he was like pretend it's like a webcam but it's not and then he just seemed to kind of be like just do your own thing and I'll be here and I'll capture it yeah I know you were trying to like get Direction out of
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him you're like he's a very interesting man yeah yeah he's he's an enigma I was his direction was a little confusing but I just I really wanted to give him what he wanted I kind of had I had a number of things that I wanted to have essential experience which is what what I wanted from the scene I wanted to be truly connected with Chanel so I wanted to make sure I got what I wanted but then I also wanted to make sure Chanel got what she wanted and I wanted to make sure that Joey got what what he wanted and he will Chris so there are a lot of people's wants and desires and when he was giving me the direction and
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it was very confusing oh gosh how am I gonna how am I gonna pretend it's like a webcam but then not yeah but you know what I ended up deciding I'm just going to make sure I'm truly connect just chanel and I bet he's gonna love that yeah did so yeah it seemed to me watch because I've never watched any of this stuff before that he shoots a very intimate kind of scene because you can hear him talking you can hear him kind of commenting on the scenes so it feels all he's almost like puts himself in as
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like a part of it you know and I assume he probably shoots a lot of his stuff like that was it just him filming it was gonna be just him filming that's he's kind of reclusive right but and so evil Chris wasn't actually going to be allowed to stay during the the sex but once we got to the sex scene Joe he was like no you're you you feel like part of the scene now you've you're part of the vibes you have to say so that's why you've got that great behind-the-scenes documentary footage of us having the sex
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and and and Chris was filming Joey directing right so yeah usually it's very intimate it's just him and the performance this time it happened to be Joey the performers and evil Chris and evil Robbie who are the documentary crew right it seems kind of interesting that maybe like what he's after is a very like authentic intimate experience so be cut like you know evil Chris was allowed to film it like he
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said because he was there so like the scenario had unfolded the way it unfolded naturally and he was there so he had to stay yes you know so like it wasn't like this artificial thing that you brought in on the side like it was literally like what's happening is what's happening and that's what he's gonna capture yes yes ting yeah so how would you know amazing yeah I don't know if you've met Chanel but I do actually is kind of funny we sat with her at the table for the expose Awards last year the year before and my boyfriend who's
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very straight had no idea she was trans and was just like that girl is so hot and then she would trans performer of the year would have to accept her award he was like what whoa but she which i think is you know obviously a great compliment to her like she looks very much I mean she is a woman yeah yeah yeah she is stunningly beautiful she's an incredible performer she actually you know she's into it and that was that was one of the reasons that I chose Chanel
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because I really want to represent an honest authentic sexuality on screen and you know with some TS scenes it's not necessarily a representation of their true sexuality and by that I mean this was a trans lesbian scene so I wanted my first well I'd like all my trans lesbian scenes to be with trans performers who enjoy having sex with women and I had heard that Chanel really loved women and actually in the documentary segment you hear us talking about it and she says I love eating [ __ ] Alok perfect yeah
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perfect I'm with someone who wants to be here who genuinely enjoys [ __ ] women this is gonna be fantastic right and you know of course it's it's not that I can't have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with a woman it's just you know my whole career is being based upon doing what I like and being and being with other people that want to be there and they're you know genuinely wanna have sex with each yeah so Chanel being into women was absolutely perfect yeah because I know me not knowing all that much about the trans community
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because obviously I'm not that very much involved in it I've never shot it I don't know too many people in that community but from the few people that I have spoken to it seems to me that people want to assume because they have a penis they want to use it and have sex with somebody else but that's not the case with everybody you know some of them don't really want to use their penis they you know want to be [ __ ] mm-hmm so I think that that's an interesting and important distinction one needs to make and not assume that every trans performer likes it's the
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same way correct and I mean it's it's it's not just trans performers I mean there are women in the industry who are quote gay for pay and and and men in the industry that a gay for pay and more power to them but when it's the scene that I'm in I like to be with people that you know that it represents a genuine part of their sexuality that's that very like and chanel loves getting [ __ ] so she she obviously enjoys
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using her penis insane and that that made me feel comfortable because I wanted to be able to engage with her in a way that made her feel sexually desirable sexually comfortable you know hot and horny and it was just the perfect match right right so tell me about the other scenes that you did um let's see what was the first one that was the it's the D people it's an anti yes yes it was Steve Holmes Mick blue Marcus Dupree and yes so it was meant to be an airtight scene which for those of you who don't
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know that means a penis and the vagina butthole and mouth so basically yeah and that scene was directed by Johnny taco oh and just so people know this I am Angela showcase it's a full-length documentary and it's also it also has for sex scenes directed by four different directors and each of those directors are AVN Hall of Fame directors they're legends in this industry they're all old-school evil angel directors too so there's a very old-school feel for
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this movie right so the first scene is directed by Johnny Darko the second scene is a it's a lesbian POV scene directed by Danny this boldly so Dana vas Polly had had a line called a lesbian anal pair I think it was called for evil angel and she's no longer with evil but she was willing to come back as a director for this special movie in this special scene so that was with her and Joanna angel and then the third scene is the TS scene with Janelle Santana directed by Joyce Alvaro yeah and then the full scene
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which we'll get to it's crazy yeah is with rocco siffredi directed by none other than the owner and founder of evil angel Batman himself Jones degli honor yeah so but we can we can rewind go back to the first scene which is I know I feel like we gotta talk about the Rocco scene last yeah definitely the most intense one so also - I want to get to a little bit about what you know because you it had a couple of other people who were interviewed about you AUSA akira mark
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speak ler and i what I really loved was you know when AUSA was being interviewed about you it kind of struck me about how you are very much about empowering Ember other women and you're not that kind of because there's a lot of girls in those businesses that are super competitive I really like to put each other down and and you're definitely somebody who seems to really seek to unify the industry which i think is really great and I felt that that was very much reflected and what also was saying about you so what
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are your views on that well I feel like we really need to be unified this is we need to be part of a community and we're already so maligned and hated by the outside world we're not not all aspects but you know there's so much shame in our society when it comes to sex and when you commodify sex and when you are empowered and use your own body in whatever way that you want if you sell sex in whatever form you're gonna be maligned even further then if if you're just expressing your sexuality without
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commodifying it and that's another reason why I love shows like avian because it's an opportunity for us to celebrate each other and celebrate our industry and the good that we do for ourselves and for the community because if we don't celebrate us who's going to yeah everybody loves to watch porn but nobody wants to admit it yeah so and and nobody's gonna fight for us but us rights so that's why I feel like community is so important and it's just part of my history as well like coming into the porn industry being in in this
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adult community with with like-minded peers and sex-positive people it's the first time in my life where I felt like I can truly be myself where I've truly felt accepted accepted as the sexual being that I am and supported in in the sex that I want to have and I was not supported you know in high school growing up right I was not I I was criticized for every way that I expressed my sexuality so in porn I can finally speak my truth I can be Who I am I can just genuinely
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be me without worrying and so and I want I want everyone in the industry to feel that way so yeah I mean they I would say that there's not it there is some competitiveness but it's it's not as bad as maybe other industries to be honest I think that I think Tommy pistol actually made a good point when he accepted his a view an award at the start of the year he said you know we're a family but we're a [ __ ] up family yeah like where we there is there is a sense of camaraderie community we can always
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endeavor to do better to support one another but I think that I think that we're doing a good job I think you are I think there's been a lot I've noticed I feel like a shift on social media about people in the industry supporting each other I think especially after you know some of the tragic deaths that we experienced last year yeah you know I think that people have recognized how much support you know all of us need from each other yes and I think that that's been a really positive response
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yes so so should we talk about Rocco so Rocco is for those of you who don't know rocco siffredi is definitely a legend in this industry he's somebody actually my mom used to shoot a lot back in the day my mom shot his Playgirl layout and she shot him a lot for you know all the magazine layouts that she did this is back before the internet obviously and when you were shooting so back in the day before the internet came along my mom did mostly magazine work and the magazines were a soft core
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there was no penetration in any of them there were a lot of like pretty strict rules because you know different states had different obscenity laws and you know Canada had an entirely different set of rules so you you couldn't actually show penetration and so a lot of times girls who would do boy-girl magazine sets wouldn't actually shoot porn they were like adult models I mean you talk you know now there's there's a lot more intermingling of different types of work but back then it was very
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structured like you were a porn star or you were like an adult model and these are like two totally different things so there were girls that would do these boy girl scenes but they would never do porn because they would never do the penetration so they would pose with a guy with like a half dick you know and and that was like okay but they wouldn't actually do this sex scene but Rocco was so charming and just so you know kind of overwhelming that some of these girls would actually let him like [ __ ] them in
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between shots and occasionally my mom would get a couple of those shots of the penetration but she could never use it right so we'd have to edit out those slides we shot on film we'd have to edit out those slides and submit to the magazines all the pictures were his penis like wasn't in it and again these are girls who were not porn stars you know they were adult models they would never do porn so so later actually when the internet you know came along and then you know the rules changed these little photos that my mom
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had of these girls allowing Rocco to slip it in for a couple of shots were just like absolute pure gold because you know it was like this this exception that they made for this incredibly charismatic man and obviously you experienced that because in the scene at Rocco literally walks in Angela comes out of makeup she's got her hair back and clips they greet each other and they just are [ __ ] yeah like right away and I rose 'ln was doing makeup right
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have been back there bike [ __ ] the guy know exactly issues like forget it forget it I was almost done with her face she did my makeup three times like basically from scratch thank God such she's such a great woman and such a positive amazing attitude because I could see some other people getting robbed yes I think she I think she found it a little bit amusing like yeah annoying and amusing yeah but I think she stole the fun in it but yeah she she told me that I was being bad she she
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roust me at one point yeah I couldn't help it he's just he is so charismatic and he's there is this incredible presence with Rocco he's ah when he walks in the room it's not just the women that look it's the men yeah everybody wants to be near Rocco yeah so yeah it was it was an incredible day an incredible scene it was we [ __ ] so many times before we even started the scene and it was just crazy it was insane the most insane scene I've
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ever done the roughest scene the insane beforehand the lead up was just insane cuz yeah he ends up sticking it in my butt without without even spitting on it yeah [ __ ] and he's huge yeah huge [ __ ] yeah man like he's a machine he's 54 or something he was pulling out some positions I had not seen before I was like that like reverse titty [ __ ] thing I was like what what's going he he [ __ ] hotter and
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longer than some of these you know new 18 year olds like yeah he is an absolute machine I like his sexual drive his sexual energy his presence everything is just so intense with him and the way his eyes burn when he looks at you yes do you find I've heard some other girls say that sometimes they find that the European performers tend to have that kind of intensity mm-hmm that sometimes American
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performers don't have as much yeah I mean all all my favorite male performers yeah happened to be European yeah and Marcus Dupree who you know kind of like the new big stud on campus came from boot camp Rocko credits Rocko with teaching him everything he knows and Marcus is probably one of the strongest performers in our industry today yeah absolutely yeah so okay so he came in you guys had sex right away and it's hilarious too because John Stagliano is just like
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trying he's like what what I'm trying to what happened everyone started shooting yet like Cameron he's like on his phone he's like what's going on here and so so there was that and then they finally stopped you and did your makeup again and then during photos did you guys just go nuts again too so they finally say yeah the crew started freaking out because Chris didn't have the microphone on the camera so yeah and and so we came out and started [ __ ] but nobody knew that he was gonna have energy to continue [ __ ] me later for the scenes so it's always like the biggest concern yeah
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yeah and and so Chris obviously wanted to film up he's never mic on his camera and so that's when John got his photos I can't get audio with my phone it was chaos it was absolute madness and everybody was freaking out and they were trying to get us off off of each other and it was just impossible and we were at one time that you like kind of let go of your like professionalism perfectionism and you were just like [ __ ] I'm gonna enjoy the moment I well this was such a unique opportunity because if people have watched the the Netflix documentary on Rocco they know that he actually retired so he is back
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shooting some scenes now but he he he planned on retiring he did a whole Netflix documentary about his retirement kamo realize that was on Netflix I've seen the trailer for it but I didn't realize it was on Netflix definitely recommend you watching it it's incredible and it definitely gives you an insight into his mind and you know his sexuality and some it's somewhat tormented sexuality it's very very interesting I can imagine I mean when you've got that kind of strong sexuality and it's been such a huge driving part of your life it's it's also got to be a tough
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thing to let go you know I mean I know my mom when she retired I mean just letting not hurt sexuality but you know being Suze Randall and who she was and yeah the icon that she was it was a very difficult thing for her to let go because that was wrapped up so much and you know she was right yeah yeah yeah yeah well Rocco clearly I mean he tried to retire he's back shooting some movies in in Budapest but he had not been back to America to
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shoot and this is a very unique opportunity because Rocco has never flown to America just to shoot one Seine with one girl right he's come over and shoot a bunch of movies but this was crazy even says in the documentary you know I thought it was a in his sexy accent I thought it was a crazy idea to come over and shoot with one girl for one scene from one movie yeah and so this was such a unique opportunities that when our chemistry was like crazy straight off the bat I was like you know what I I'm just gonna go with this I don't care Oh were you nervous going
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into it that like maybe you wouldn't have that or saying I mean he flew it all the way to shoot the scene like what I mean what was going through your head that's there was a lot of pressure yeah I felt like those love I didn't I didn't think there would be no chemistry because I did I had actually met him at avian so that was the first time we went at avian this year and it was like five minutes that we saw each other but even then I felt the connection immediately right away he looked at me the way we felt there was like this there was so
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much tension between us and so and I think that that is probably the reason that he agreed to come out here I know he mentions in the documentary that you know the winds that I got at avian and the way people talked about me but that that moment when we met at avian on the floor and we just connected so quickly I just knew that there would be chemistry but still there's a lot of pressure to have someone fly across the globe just to [ __ ] you yeah Wow you better make it good yeah yeah I can imagine but I feel
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like there's a lot of pressure on him to I don't know ASSA said this to me I'm not sure if it made it I can't remember if it made it into the documentary but she said imagine you know your everybody thinks that you're responsible in Rocco's case of giving women the best sexual experience of your life of their life so imagine having that pressure on you like I'm the man yeah that this girl this woman is expecting me to [ __ ] her in a way that she will never forget and here always has that hanging over tip so I think that we both both probably felt the pressure to make sure
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this yeah incredible yeah but at the same time you can't worry about it because when you start worrying when it comes to sex you clam up you're not yourself you're your nerves get get the better of you so I was continuously trying to just relax be myself I knew he wanted he wanted to come to [ __ ] me because of who I am so I'm right did you just kind of had to tell you myself yeah just being myself yeah so overall we I'm assuming you were happy with the way that I am Angela came out yes this was it was such a unique project and such an
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incredible project to be part of and the thing that I'm most proud of with this movie is that it's really truly humanizing and not just from me it's of the whole community of like the there's interviews with all the directors with all the performers that are involved and you really see a human side to the industry and and you see us as full beings you see what goes on before a shoot actually happens you see the
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negotiation you see me getting tested you really learn about the industry and I think that it gives fans a look at me and Who I am more so than any any other project that I've ever done oh yeah you know I noticed that when I was watching it how you know I mean we worked so hard and porn to create this fantasy right which is fine I mean that's what it's there for but sometimes I feel like viewers not sometimes a lot of the times I feel like viewers get a
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really just the wrong idea about what it's really like in the porn industry you know like what these people are really like what the the process before we shoot a scene is like and I think it's so I think it was really great to give people that insider's perspective to see that just you know discussing consent and you know the care to know what the other performer liked to do didn't like the testing you know the and just the whole setup and like you said
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humanizing the people behind the industry and I think you know it also helped that you chose you know very well-spoken eloquent people to you know talk about it and yeah it just came off I don't know it I mean obviously I had nothing to do with it but watching it it made me feel proud of this industry thank you know and that's why I just think you're such a great example and I know I've said this a million times but it's people like you that really I think
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are helping to push porn into a new era you know and really like showing everybody like it's it's not what people think it is you know so I just think that that projects like this are really important thank you that means a lot thank you very much and I hope fans I hope fans enjoy it and and like you said that they see things in this movie that you know maybe is important for them to see for example they see the affection that Rocco has for me like we do an incredibly rough singer but then you say afterwards we we hug and there's an
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affection you see like the way that I interact with with Steve Holmes and Marcus Dupree and make blue and yet like in a few minutes they're gonna be sticking to dicks in my butthole but you see there's a there's a love and care and affection between a between performance yeah yeah I I want I want viewers to know that I want viewers to know this is an incredible safe environment to explore your sexuality and and yeah I'm really encouraged fans to to buy and watch the movie and most
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importantly to buy it buy it yes warn people it's worth it yes that's it I think yeah there's a lot of porn out there that all of it is not worth paying for like four and a half hours yeah you've got there's a lot a lot of content yeah interesting and you put a lot of work into it I know that you edit it as well not this one so um Angela by doc oh I edited some this was actually Ricky so shout out to Ricky oh yeah I helped I I
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helped in other ways but the editing is really credit goes to it - Ricky okay yeah okay good to know because I do know that you added a lot of your stuff yes yes which I just can't bring myself to do can't bring myself to teach myself to add it I just can't like once I've shot the scene I don't want to ever see it but then I advise that you don't because you you want this to be a creative endeavor for you and if you're you don't want to do something that makes you feel yeah I just feel like though if I edited my own stuff it would make me a much better shooter but I just don't want you
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just sit with your editor for a couple of scenes because then you'll know you'll yeah you'll understand you'll see the things that are frustrating him and what you could do better and you don't have to edit you just sit with him for a couple of couple of hours and done face yeah well thank you so much for coming on Angela it's always such a pleasure to see you thank you having me back we are gonna do a second little ask Angela fan portion which will be available only on my patreon so you can go to patreon.com/scishow and me on twitter at
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angela white on instagram at the Angela white and Angela white comm is your hub for all things and to a white and you can find me at Holly Randall on Instagram em on Twitter and then obviously my patreon which I just mentioned patreon.com slash Holly Randall unfiltered thank you guys so much for listening Angela thank you so much for coming on and we'll see you see
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