When GM Got The Camaro Z28 Right - The 3rd Generation F-Body Was A Big Risk That Paid Off

When GM Got The Camaro Z28 Right - The 3rd Generation F-Body Was A Big Risk That Paid Off

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wonderful look at that the stare down these things are friggin terrifying i can't believe they're back out again [Music] good morning this is bill from auto house of naples and curious cars on a you know it's a mediocre florida wednesday but here's the deal i am not going to rant and about the weather today out of courtesy uh to the rest of the united states which appears to be buried in some sort of a vicious
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winter snowstorm i mean when it's like negative 10 in texas uh you know they don't want to hear me bitching about what's going to be like a mid-80s day in uh in unusually warm southern florida it's just not fair so i'm not going to do it i'm not going to cry about the horrible you know the missed opportunity of having chilly february weather the kind of thing we love i'm not going to cry about the upcoming miserable summer months of vicious horrible heat while people are
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buried in snow up to their a-holes in other parts of the uh the country it's just not fair to them they don't want to hear me cry about uh you know this for you know it's like 72 degrees this morning which is quite nice but of course hearkens to a hotter day ahead and uh i know that nobody really wants me uh crying about that so i'm not gonna do it i'm not gonna do it uh what i am gonna about is first of all i've got a cat he's heading the other way which is good you know normally i don't like cats but
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when you're surrounded by birds around here and even goats i don't know if the cat i'm attacked a goat for me but hopefully it would uh so i'm not going to cry too much about the cat either but here's the thing you know i always hear in the comment section oh the animals they're cute they're sweet they're nice they mean you no harm they're lovely okay i want you to see this look at all the goat that is parked right around where i photograph and video the cars look at this i mean you want to talk about a severe gastrointestinal problem
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uh it is loaded with goat and you cannot tell me that this is not a targeted attack i mean this is the goat version of the blair witch project where the you know the the witch is leaving weird little straw figurines around to scare the crap out of people this is what the goats are doing to me they're not around this morning i don't know why i'm thankful but they have left their calling card to remind me that they could come back at any time probably when i least expect it and don't you dare tell me that this is
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this is just the equivalent of the bird on the hood that we had last week and i don't like it i don't think it's cool and uh again uh i'm gonna start um i'm gonna start wearing my sidearm just in case those things come at me i mean you've gotta be me look at all of this it's unbelievable i mean who knew that goats could produce that much crap and why even have goats why doesn't peter get cows you know another big giant menacing animal to
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come near me and stare at me while i'm doing stuff and unsettle me he could have asomets he could have ostriches emus you know why stop at goats okay anyway we're gonna get right into it uh today i've got this bitchin camaro i really really do and it's good that i have it because it's gonna help me clear up a couple of things uh this is a 1984 uh z28 camaro with the all 69 option the 305 high output engine
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very important engine in this car ran from 83-86 but we'll get into all that in a minute uh the other day in the aurora video uh what i did mistakenly was talk about the frameless glass on the sides and you know how it was kind of cool and not like a box firebird well man did i get some flack for that firebirds or not boxes well yes they are but okay here's the thing is my first car first car i ever owned first car in the world i'll try to track down a photo of
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it but i don't think i have one maybe i do i'll try and look for it was a 1979 formula firebird uh it was the greatest thing that ever happened to me in fact i got it when i was still 15. i didn't have my full driver's license it's just something that came available through a family friend and it was bought and put in the garage so i was riding the bus the big yellow limo to school walking past this bright gm flame red firebird for six months which was torture absolute
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hell on earth to know that i had this great car in the garage and was riding the bus instead but of course you know as time goes on your birthday comes now they come every 12 seconds by the way but back then it took a while but i got my license on my birthday quite unlike the snowflakes of today yeah i don't get them at all to be honest oh maybe i'll get them icing someday i mean what the anyway i got the license and i started driving the car so firebirds and deaf bodies camaros
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whatnot but mainly even firebirds have a very special place in my heart uh very special number one car you know give me a break it's like your first girl the first time uh you know one well i shouldn't say that but anyway uh the first time you got lucky in your car you remember that girl and i also remember that car and i also understand that firebirds had some great stuff over the years and uh you know they were pretty good cars in many many ways
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but the build quality was and that's what i'm talking about i mean even on this car you drive it 135 down the interstate which we're not going to do uh the side windows are going to pop out you know that's not going to happen even in like a porsche 944 never mind the 928 that this car theoretically competed with the build quality on these f bodies has always been a little bit substandard and that's fine because to me it's part of their charm but i feel like i am well entitled uh to
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call a firebird a box because of my undying everlasting love for them uh so uh you know if any of the people who took me out for that are still watching which i doubt uh just know that uh i'm more with you than you think i absolutely love these cars and speaking of it let's get into this so this is a third generation f-body the f-body being the uh camaro firebird of the time the first generation was a pretty interesting car of course it's the most
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collectible now the most sought after and uh but here's the thing about it it was a response to the ford mustang that's what it was the mustang came out in 64 and a half it started selling very well and invented the whole pony car genre and gm had to respond and they responded with the camaro which was quite a weird name that nobody really understood there was some weird story about how it was taken from a french dictionary uh and it meant comrade or friend or
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buddy but uh camaro really doesn't exist in france so nobody maybe somebody really knows where the name came from but their cover story was crap and made no sense at all but it was a response and even if it did quite well became a pony card even a muscle car and some incarnations and went on to sell very well it was still a response to the mustang then the second gen f body got off to a fantastic start beautiful car lovely design uh you know
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gorgeous to look at but came right at the time when all of the misery was about to start the emission standards the gas crunch the uh arab oil embargo uh you know all of the 70s crap that really drove everybody up the wall disco uh the bee gees you know that sort of thing and it just you know there were some good cars that came in the mix uh you know the 74 super duty 455 the you know kudos to gm for uh or chevy for keeping the z28 going 78
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and 79 and uh the ws6 trans am which came out in i don't know maybe 77 but definitely 78 and 79 was probably the definitive american road handling sports muscle car of the time it handled very well you remember smokey and the bandit and that sort of thing all the cb stuff and to me again as a firebird guy that was the pinnacle that's the car i wanted my formula was not a wsx did not have the rear disc brakes and the wide wheels
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and that sort of thing but i still love the damn thing and i got in a lot of trouble in that car uh and uh did a a lot of brake parts and other terrible things that kids do speaking of which peter's kid nice young guy got his first speeding ticket last week i feel very sentimental for him i once he was like a 70 and a 45. i mean we've been telling him for like three four slow down man it's good they're gonna get no i can't keep an eye out for him they're not gonna get well they got him
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and uh god knows bad things are gonna ensue i had to make 11 tickets one year when i was 17. the cops knew me by name naples is not a big place so you drive a bright red firebird at 16 uh you know with big scoops on the hood and uh you know loud exhaust you get to be known and yeah they almost got my license but not quite hung on by a thread at some point they actually slowed me down and the rest is history but anyway where the hell was i often these tangents i always forget where i
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came from the third generation camaro is extremely important and i'm gonna say this this car was a victim of its own success an absolute victim of its own success because it was so wildly popular and successful during its day because they made so many of them it became less than it should be for one thing when this car came out in 1982 the engine was a little bit anemic then it had that crossfire ceasefire v8 fuel injection thing that
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really wasn't that great i think it had like 168 horsepower 165 you couldn't get it with a manual gearbox uh only the uh uh three-speed automatic uh you could get a lesser version of the 305 with the five speed but that was uh fuel and not fuel engine that was carbureted with uh like horsepower and the mustang ended up kicking its ass now you have to remember that this was morning in america i mean gone were the carter malaise days you know the
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things were starting to pick up uh car companies were starting to understand how to make emissions and all that other stupid crap work with horsepower and uh you know gone were the 110 horsepower 1200 cubic inch engines of the late 70s and the horsepower ratings were starting to edge upward uh the mustang ended up with like 165 out of the 302 in 1983 uh or sorry 82 and the camaro you know had about the same or 145 with
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the stick so chevy needed to do something because everybody loved the handling of the camaro i mean the body style first of all was groundbreaking it was gorgeous a complete departure nothing like the prior generation f bodies a very almost european sports car in nature this raked raked windshield to 62 degrees by the way which broke an internal gm rule and limiting it to 60 degrees this very complex back glass which gm
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uh called the most complex back window in general motors history i don't know if that's true or not but that's what they called it and uh you know it was down in the front up in the rear uh rocker panel side effect stripes you know at the time white letter tires and it looked cool as hell and people went nuts for it and then in 1983 general motors needed more horsepower and they got it they built a specially prepped uh
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camaro for i want to call it the heath ledger there are the goats i didn't even see them and they snuck up on me there they are taking out peter's bushes there's little bastards there's cujo in the middle he's going to come at me any minute and we're going to keep an eye on these things you know the minute he takes off they come out they were hot look at that thing look at it they can get up high like that oh geez i'm missing it with the camera um we're gonna keep an eye on these there they're both of them are up in the air now
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where's the cat when i need it why doesn't the cat throw itself at these things like a spider monkey and send them running if i had a cat that's what it would do and if they just stay over there so now i'm completely discombobulated i'm lost and i don't remember where the hell i was i almost have to stop and keep going uh but anyway okay so i call it the the heath ledger 24 which was at some sort of northeast ohio ray it's not it's the northern ledges or the something ledges racetrack i can't remember anyway
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it was kind of a famous scca endurance race that uh went on for a while i think it's back again uh they've uh they've started running it but um chevy prepped an engine for it and they it was you know the cam from the corvette uh different exhaust different intake four barrel carb and they then out rouse rouse rouse rouse go on rouse rouse
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god they're not scared at all go on get out here stop and stop with your in on the yard i've already stepped in it anyway chevy prepped an engine for that race and they went on to make a production version of it called the l69 and that was the infusion of power that this camaro needed to absolutely take out the mustang and become the number one sports group in america from 1983 onward uh it was a very big deal and it was pretty cool at the time
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and uh that's how this thing was equipped boosted the horsepower all listen to them with that blood curdling noise no i have no interest in you none at all not rouse be gone the goat roast um god and a kid just flusters me and then i don't know where the hell i was at anyway the l69 engine which came out in 83 and 83 you could only get it with the five speed the borg warner five speed which was great
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uh transmission which was also new for 83. uh oh my god stop it stop it nobody has any interest in this i promise you no no i am i have no food i have no goat food nothing nothing thank god they're hightailing it all right anyway where the hell was i you know this has just become ridiculous i have got to find a new place where there aren't goats or
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cows or tigers or rhinos or whatever the hell else he has running around here anyway so 83 was a big performance upgrade from the uh camaro gone was that ceasefire injection uh detuned corvette thing uh in was 165 horse 305 and then this the l69 190 horsepower 305 uh which by 84 you could get with a 700 or four four-speed or transmission or uh the borg warner t5
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and the horsepower wars the camaro mustang wars were back i mean they were sort of disappeared in the mustang went insane in the 70s i mean it was absolute crap there's text now turn off this stupid phone so that doesn't happen 50 times and anyway after the malaise of the 70s camaro and mustang were back at it and the winner was the american public and that's pretty cool stuff so 1984 190 horsepower five-speed manual or
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four-speed automatic uh and uh the car didn't just go quick i mean again 190 horsepower doesn't sound like much today but you've got to remember that we're talking about an era where they had 460s from ford in 1979 that put out about 90 horsepower i mean it was ridiculous in 82 this car's max horsepower was 165. uh you could also get it with an iron duke you know that old the bulletproof pontiac four cylinder that put out 90 horsepower had to be the
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world's slowest camaro but you know horsepower was not as much of a thing so i would almost call this car in 1983 guys the restoration of the american horse power wars it really was it was you know now you get in a cadillac cts-v that has 12 000 horsepower your average camaro firebird has 600 horsepower uh there's even a horsepower battle between the v6 camaros and mustangs right now all of that could probably trace its
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routes back uh to this early uh third generation f body and that's pretty neat stuff 190 horsepower was back on track for uh for gm chevrolet and the american people you know in the early 80s you had people starting to listen to heavy metal music again they were banging their heads like disco was gone uh motley crew was in and they wanted a car to match it and this thing hit it at exactly the right time in fact it kind of flip-flop positions
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with the firebird the trans am of the time uh in the late 70s the trans am had it it had the look it had the style it had the power and the handling and the z28 was truly in second place uh camaro firebird had a version of this f body you remember knight rider kind of hard to forget but it just didn't live up to the same performance potential that the z28 did it had a smaller rear sway bar uh it had a little bit of a thicker front one but it didn't matter the z28 handled a lot better
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and that was the big deal about this car for the first time truly gm wasn't responding to other cars with the camaro it kicked other cars asses right out of the box i mean absolutely no comparison uh between the handling of this car and the handling of the mustang there was also that daytona turbo z from uh chrysler which you know people pretended was great but truly was just a front drive four-cylinder turd compared to the camaro and people went nuts for this car and they bought
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it by the shitload 84 they sold over a hundred thousand camaros uh with 50 000 of them uh being z28 models so uh this way this is why i say this cars i mean everybody at the time said this car was drop dead gorgeous the problem and the only problem was that there was one on every street corner you know it just was i mean if it had been as rare as a ferrari you probably could have charged three times as much for it the car is beautiful with the four square lights up front that kind of hearkened
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earlier muscle cars but otherwise look very modern the ground effects on the bottom and silver with the z28 badges and contrasting colors the raked windshield the spoiler at the back uh the fender flares out the side the twin uh you know in the early versions those hood scoops were functional with the crossfire injection by the time this car rolled around they weren't but it still looked friggin awesome and still does today and i just think these cars were treated very very unfairly because of how many
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there are i mean just stop it with the mullet jokes i mean i get it you know there was a time when these things uh were the the kings of the trailer park and uh you know only now are they starting to emerge from that and become genuine collectibles of course a lot of them have become turds a lot of them got beat to crap and thrown away and the truly nice ones are now a little more rare and starting to pull real money so uh anyway i was talking about the trans am which didn't live up to it the camaro
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took it and here's what i here's what i want to get to there is a famous and i think i'll try to link to this in the description of this video uh in 1983 motorweek uh did a comparison and face-off between the 1983 porsche 928 s and the camaro z28 uh which was ludicrous at face value because the porsche then cost forty five thousand dollars and was the fastest road car in the united states production car
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uh the camaro cost thirteen thousand dollars and uh you know was new and exciting and whatnot but nowhere near the same amount of technological advancement you've got four wheel independent suspension out of the 928 you've got an aluminum 4.7 liter v8 the thing was very very advanced for the time over a hundred thousand dollars in today dollars uh it was a pretty amazing car and and the king of the gt class so here along comes this camaro
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and they run them against each other i can't remember the name of the racetrack but it's in west virginia uh here's the thing the camaro got a faster time the porsche came in at 140 around the one minute 40 seconds around a two mile course the camaro came in at a little over 138 at that particular day at that particular track the z28 beat the porsche and that tells you just how cool this car was at the time
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this is why people went nuts for it this is why it was motor trends car of the year and car and driver called it the best handling american car that they'd ever tested it was i mean it used the same stuff basically as early ref bodies as solid rear axle but up front it had coil springs in the back it had coil springs and arms instead of leaf springs big roll bars and lots and lots of suspension tweaking it pulled like .82.83 on the skid pad
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with those 15-inch eagle gt tires which were great for the time but today this car handled uh it was a fun car to throw around a racetrack and that was a tremendous departure for uh gm and the rebirth of the f-body in a way that it hadn't been seen before and kudos to them for that so i do spend a lot of time on this channel beating the out of gm and i am a gm guy by the way much more than ford or anyone else but uh you know instead of talking about where gm got it wrong
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uh this time we're talking about where gm got it right and the third gen camaro is uh is it now this one somebody upgraded the wheels i was going to change them back after i got the car there's that cat running hopefully he's getting the goats uh this would have had 15-inch uh dished uh very similar looking wheels but not quite like these these are 16-inch wheels off an iroc z which came out the next year i'm not going to get into the whole iroc thing the international race of champion someday soon i'll have an iroc
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and we'll get into it then but that iroc name dominated the z28 from 1985 through oh god i don't know 1989 or 90. and it kind of has become a cultural icon of sorts i won't get into what you know the acronym stands for for some people but uh anyway so somebody put iroc rims on this thing 16 inch would have had gator backs of the day and i left it because not only does it i think look a little bit more modern and better and still
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basically enhance the appearance of the car in an original sort of way it's also a modification someone would have done at the time you know a lot of these cars got drag raced guys bought them they put big centerline wheels on them pulled off the original wheel so uh some guy who had this 84 z28 at the time could easily have come up with the set eye rock wheels and stuffed them on and uh so it was fine with me if it had anything modern on there i would have killed him anyway let's just get into this car thank god the goats are gone i'm trying not to walk in their
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all right so i'm gonna release the back hatch here and again that is a big giant bunch of curvature huge rear window which by the way didn't help the uh temperature inside the car in a hot day they had to put a hypo uh not just v8 in the car but air conditioning system in the car to keep it cool so um you know it's neat but at the same time that's in a lot of heat but this was again a departure i mean the last gen camaro had this very cool little back window but it was
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functionless and had a little stubby trunk you couldn't fit much in this thing has a big giant hatchback area and a rear seat that folds forward for even more cargo and of course back in the day in high school a lot of the kids i knew put big woofers in the back of this thing no i left all this stuff in here uh this is an original set of uh i don't know if it's original i'm sure it's actually reproduction set of stripes for the side of the car uh the stripes that are on this car are quite nice uh but they're uh you know a
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little bit age worn from time i guess when the time came the guy was going to put on new stripes which are sitting here that's a new air cleaner decal this is a pretty cool original magazine ad with this particular car now i've screwed up see if i can feed it back in there one-handed i can nice uh and that is uh the dealership uh promo and then this nice big giant i mean giant service manual for 1984 camaros which
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uh give you all the information you need to keep the car in tip top shape uh i love the square tail lights they change those later on i like the ones with the little squares in them and this is funny uh you had a flip down license plate you know where normally you'd want fuel uh but it only has the uh key for the uh trunk release not sure why that happened the fuel doors on the side maybe they changed their minds uh you don't have a glove box so they give you this unlockable compartment here i don't think there's anything in there
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but we may as well check the 80s i don't know what you would have put in here little bags of coke maybe yeah nothing in there and then over there under this thing is all the spare tire stuff and you have little uh grappling things there to strap your infants down if you have to carry any with you uh but this gave the car a very nice utility uh you know you've got the the deep place here that's another i could act as a little play pen for kids actually especially if you could get a net over the top of it but uh you've got that depth there you've got this step
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there it becomes a fantastic grocery gutter and i love the three-piece rear spoiler very very cool have a look under the hood uh this one did come with t-tops which you know if you're looking for a handling car uh you probably want the full tin roof so it doesn't flex as much but if you're looking for a cruiser uh t-tops are the way to go uh since i wouldn't be racing this car there now they're in front of me now they're trying to out flank me from the front and they're gonna put more down on the ground
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look at the horns on that tan one they're glinting off the point razor sharp i i just can't believe it i don't know how we were able to do like 40 videos here without seeing the goats now they're out all the time every day every day would you eat everything out back monsters let's have a look under here all right so here it is here is the 5 liter high output 305 with 190 horsepower
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you see the dual snorkel intake that added some horsepower uh gets sucked in over the top of the headlights which is very cool uh you've got um basically a cast iron block pushrod v8 you know could be out of a 60s model but it's just been very nicely tweaked uh to meet federal emission standards while at the same time and here's another thing i love from this vintage ford and chevy said it both guys like to work on their own cars so we're not going to load them up with electronics to
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get in the way of that we're you know going to leave them as accessible as we can so if you want to put fancy intakes and carbs and headers and all this stuff you can wow god if only car companies thought that way today would we be in a better world i mean you basically open the hood of a modern car and it's like you know an apple 2e under the hood you have no idea what's going on there this thing is much more accessible to the guy who likes to work in his own car and that's why i think they're going to keep climbing up the collectible market
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guys can actually maintain these cars themselves but anyway this was a sea change in the horsepower wars finally a tick upward instead of downward and a terrific engine overall later on would get replaced by that tune port injection 305 which was also a great motor and then the 350 the 5.7 tune port and then on to the lt1 and the lt3 and the lt5 and the ls and whatever that the
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continuation of that pushrod v8 but to me this one was the one that started it back that after a decade of horrible malaise and high cubic inch shitty horsepower ratings gm and ford and yeah chrisman not so much started to turn it around and make horsepower great again very very cool stuff like the little bullet mirrors again i love the ground effects on the car with contrasting striping the five spoke wheels which
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yeah look close enough to the originals to no no no out out out god i'm gonna have to find a way to look more menacing a very nice gentleman sent me a dvd the other day i got it in the mail i'm i'm replying i write some movie i had no idea it existed called the men who stare at goats and thank you for sending it it's very kind i appreciate it apparently in that movie and i haven't
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watched it yet there's some way that you can kill goats by looking at them so i promise you tonight i'm going to be studying that movie studying it hard but anyway again dippy front long stubby tail big c pillar lovely big back glass the styling of this car was an absolute departure for gm it was gorgeous it was appreciated at the time because of it they that blood curdling sound
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they sold a ton of them and because they sold a ton of them and because they were so common uh they're not appreciated the way they should be today you hear about the moment no what is going on out out out i mean do you think i changed my mind in the last 15 seconds i have no food on me you're probably looking for flesh let's just get inside the car god's sake before they really attack me not quite dual exhaust on the car had
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twin tips at the back but it was uh two into the high flow cat and back into a dual outlet muffler and then two pipes at the back and sounded very racy the guy who owned this one put on some kind of a turbo muffler so it sounds even more racy um yeah you know it's fine it's probably not what i would do i kind of like the stock sound which is you know a little more quiet but i think most people prefer the rumble that this car has got my uh keys out frameless glass now
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this car has two options which i really love number one is this camaro logo interior with the orange and the triple camaro that chevy orange hugger orange famous chevy color uh you know triple camaro down the door panels uh camaro seats camaro back seats there is going to be no question uh what type of car i mean none of your passengers are going to get in goes this a mustang you know they are going to know instantly what they're getting into also this car had the contour front
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seats now because of a supply issue at the time it only had one seat that was contoured the passenger seat was not uh but you see it's power adjusted and you see it's got these little side bolster adjusters and uh uh you know bottom bolster jet now that helped with the handling that helped in the mustang at the time handled worse and had horrible seats that made you spend more time trying to stay in the car than drive the car the camaro uh especially with this contour seat held you in much tighter and aided with
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its uh handling because you were firmly and scotched in the car you also had rear seats a place where you're canadians i cannot say that they're going to be chipper back there it's tight there's not a lot of headroom and you know the hell with them they're your backseat passengers so uh they can suck it but uh back they are there you've got your four seats you're really not going to consummate any kind of a relationship in the back uh you're way better off sticking to the front seats even with the big center console
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uh the dashboard very very sporty for the time big overhang on the top that kind of shades the instruments and uh goes in kind of neat and unusual full gauges and i love the z28 logo there in the passenger side with the high output script neat stuff uh all very modern for the time and uh you know the car was lighter than the prior generation f body same size but lighter and we'll hop in three spoke steering wheel a
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fascinating set of gauges for one thing you've got the speedometer smash uh well it's all a speedometer but you've got miles and kilometers on some sort of a dual swinging needle which was a very sort of bizarre and complex uh answer to the uh you know north american canada us thing how we'd have kilometers and miles per hour on the same gauge most companies just put an inner gauge of uh of you know the kilometers inside not chevy they did this weird
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i guess they wanted it to look like aircraft instruments or something and that was part of the style and i can appreciate that uh you also have a temp gauge you've got a fuel gauge you've got a volt meter and then your 5500 redline tank over here you've got a cigarette lighter because people did smoke in the 80s although i don't think this guy smoked much rear defrost very basic climate control and then a delco radio which unfortunately in this car does not seem to be working i'm going to pull it out and see if i can
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get it going but it really pisses me off i want to listen to some mommy crew this morning then you got this big center console with the cocaine clock from the 80s you can see it's even got a few razor marks in it still works which is pretty cool and just a neat feature on that car and again no glove box you had to go in here there's your whatever you call it um your owner's manual and i'll zoom in on this for a minute somebody wants to pause it you can see the equipment this car came with
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the old sheet is under there there we go and of course the leather wrapped e brake so anyway let's fire this thing up leave the door open so you can hear it all right there's the sound of that uh high output 305 again more of a um more of a sound than i would put in my car but you know still has a nice nice rumble to it if that's your thing definitely would have been my thing back in the day
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you got your cruise control and wipers on one stalk you got your tilt wheel here which i'm going to take advantage of and your rear defrost you know very very simple windows hatch open it's just you know it's all that you need um t-tops up there which i could remove i think that's pretty cool doesn't have shades but yeah there they are uh very simple mirror and actually before i go anywhere i'm gonna put all my crap back in the uh the rear so i don't have to come back so let me pause there for a minute
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and we'll uh we'll come back and drive it all right license plate is on stuff in the back goats are behind us and uh off we go um again what a nice menacing ground out of those 305 cubic inches yeah 190 horsepower today is like base camry four-cylinder horsepower but uh the world is different and 190 back then this was the king of the heap in fact this uh ho uh five-speed version uh would beat the out of a uh
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automatic corvette at the time which was supposed to be a much quicker car uh but wasn't uh the z28 really kind of ate into the corvette's numbers because for half the price or you know maybe a little more than that uh you could have a car that handled and performed quite nearly as well as the corvette [Music] you got to hand it man you really do to gm i mean uh you know this car was the full package it wasn't just horsepower uh it had the handling to boot and
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that was again something new from gm i love the way it sounds and it's true it's got a recirculated ball steering which is nice and responsive the mustang had a really shitty rack and pinion at the time uh that um had terrible road fuel the camaros is pretty good again maybe not by today's standards but certainly at the time and going around the racetrack you could modulate the understeer with the throttle you could kick the corners out the tail out in the corners you could really drive this thing at a
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great clip it was a true grand touring car unless we forget a true grand touring car that could turn in a faster time around the racetrack uh than the porsche 928s a car that cost three times as much uh at the time and that's why that's you know it's gm can't win they finally built a great great z28 and they saw so many of the damn things that they become a bit of a cliche uh it's just one of those poor things with gm
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they just always run into issues of some kind or another uh the cars are either too good for what they are not good enough for what they promise to be so going down the straight road yeah whatever you know get into the gas a little bit nice pep um you know if we had some twisty turns it'd be fun to throw it around i noticed a lot of guys still road race these cars you go to the scca there's still a bunch in the gt classes and uh you know the vintage classes because they're really really fun to drive
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volvo has to be the antithesis of this car a little bit of wheel spin oh the smell of burned rubber brings me back to my youth and again it's not a rocket ship it doesn't throw your head back or anything but man doesn't have torque it's got torque and the torque feels nice torque is good uh you know certainly enough to chirp second gear to break the tires loose to have a bit of fun with it the mustang at the time it really didn't
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handle it was just a donut machine where you could just light up the tires all the time but the z28 was a much more complete car really really was you got all the fun stuff with the horsepower and the torque and the parking lot doughnuts but you could also fling it around a racetrack as well and handle on a world-class medal so oh boy there it is uh a 1984 chevrolet camaro c28 really really sweet car this one has just 38 000 miles it's
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been babied and well kept over the years you know for it to look like this not perfect but very very good uh you know these things didn't last very well past 100 000 miles unless they were incredibly pampered uh you know a normally driven car really got beat to crap and most of them did and that's why very few of these nice ones are still remaining and i think it's a great car to speculate on collector-wise i think they're still underperforming i think it'd still be bought
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reasonably and it was such a cool and important car from the 80s that i think it's only going to keep going up in value i'm going to be waiting forever to turn right up here so i won't bore you this will be available at auto house of naples on the web at autohousenaples.com uh or you can give the guys a call at two three nine two six three eighty five hundred uh really appreciate you having a look today we're gonna try and come up with something else i missed out on that xjr
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it's sold before i could do a video really pissed me off that was going to be a neat car but uh you know the rule of the car business is never drive a sold one that's the time a pickup truck is going to plow into your side so don't do it anyway we'll come up with something fun i have an auction this weekend another auction next weekend uh try to pick up some more neat stuff to do i'm trying to come together with a guy who has a pretty cool collection to do some videos on his car and uh we're gonna try and do some fun newer stuff from that uh kb
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auto collection uh clements the german you know some kind of a neat g wagon or something so um anyway more fun stuff to come really appreciate you having a look love the comments no i haven't been answering them lately but uh god damn this is a busy time of year i'll go on then don't pussyfoot it i'm letting you in go on the hell with you um all right thanks again we'll see you at
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the next one take care oh god a new mustang suv presumably what is the world coming to i mean honestly honestly [Music] ridiculous you

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