Do stereotypes about Italians apply to us? - Italian conversations [Learn Italian, IT/EN subs]

Do stereotypes about Italians apply to us? - Italian conversations [Learn Italian, IT/EN subs]

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Hello everyone, guys and girls! Welcome back to Podcast Italiano, and today we are in the company of Erika again - Hello everyone, finally we meet again. - Erika, where have you been? - I was, let’s say, a little bit caught up in the commitments of daily life but if you wanna know where I’ve been, you have to listen to the last audio episode that we recorded - Which will be released? We don’t know but go look and see if it’s already been released on the podcast. Today we’re talking about stereotypes as you know there are several stereotypes about Italians, and we wanted to see if Erika and I embody these stereotypes or not. In general Erika do you think that we’re Italian? - Maybe me more so than you - I think I’m relatively un-Italian, 'cause look at me, what do I have that’s Italian? I don’t have a beard, I have blond hair, I’m 1.87 meters tall (6 feet 2 inches) I have pretty light skin, but you do even more so than me. But let’s see with behaviours
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- We basically chose three things, at least three, that make the other Italian, or three things that make the other not Italian, therefore, not falling within the stereotypes let’s say. -Do you wanna start? - No, you start, I’m curious to know what you said about me - Do you wanna know a thing that makes you very Italian? - Yeah - I think you expected this for sure, but Erika, the most Italian thing about Erika, without a doubt, is love for pizza and pasta - Okay - For carbs in general. You know, they say that we Italians always eat pasta and pizza too Then with regard to pizza I have to say that it’s not so true that we eat it so often, even though Erika, I have to say, eats it very often because you, almost every week, eat it. - Exactly - And we eat pasta almost every day, but that’s true, that applies to me too
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but I have to say that Erika has almost an how do I say it— an addiction to carbs. - I can confirm, to pasta especially. I could live without pizza, but without pasta I’d die, that is I’d prefer not to live than live a life without pasta. - Exactly, so for number one, I’d say you agree with me - Then, look, I’ll counter your thing with a thing that in my opinion makes you not sufficiently Italian, which has to do with this, and that is pizza. Because you don’t eat enough pizza, in my opinion. I mean, I eat pizza, but so do other people who I know—so it’s not me who’s so passionate—at least once a week, as in, there's one day a week dedicated to pizza and you instead go weeks and weeks without eating pizza and without feeling the need for it, and that’s not okay - You’re accusing me of not being enough of a pizza lover
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-Yeah - Well, however, it’s true. I don’t eat pizza that often. I eat it, I don’t know, it’s not a thing, I mean, I don’t feel the need, at times yes, at times I feel the need for pizza But, for example, the last time that I ate pizza could be a month ago, I don’t know. You would be physically ill. - No, with pizza I have to say no, but, I dunno, for me it's like that. I mean, my family, once a week at least, eats pizza then, even as a moment of conviviality or an opportunity to go out and do something, going for pizza or, otherwise, to see each other, maybe with our other relatives, etc. and eating pizza. Incidentally, tonight David and I are going for pizza with our friends. - Finally, after like a month of me not having it. But what you said ties in with another point that I have here for why you're Italian. - Okay - In my opinion, you have a... you know, to you family is more important than it is to me. I mean now I don't wanna seem like a bad person
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but they say that for Italians family is at the center of your life, it has an important role and I think that you...for you it's more like that, I mean you see your family more often, and you see your aunts and uncles and cousins more often. No? More than I do, despite the fact that I have a big family and it seems to me that, therefore, with this, you're more Italian than me. - Yes maybe also with my parents in general, I tend to do more things with them than maybe you do with yours, although you do have a great relationship with your parents but maybe you spend less time with them than I spend with mine. - Yeah I think so. I do think so. So these two things make you particularly Italian, but you might wanna know what makes you not Italian. - Okay, but first I'm gonna tell you a thing that makes you Italian since I told you one that makes you Italian. And it has to do—more or less—with food still, and maybe you'll expect this
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but it's coffee. You should know that Davide is a bit of a coffee addict. - Yeah - He's the typical Italian who, after lunch, after dinner, has to get his cup of Joe. He feels sick if after lunch he doesn't have coffee. While I...I like coffee, I'm happy to drink it, but it's more of a social thing, even in that case, for me. In the sense that if I'm home alone after lunch it hardly ever comes to mind to make myself coffee, I don't feel that need. If I'm with you or someone else, and someone says come on, let's get coffee, I never say no or I rarely say no, but I don't feel that need there's not something that I'm missing if I don't have coffee at the end of a meal, like what I think happens to you. - To me, absolutely yes. I have to drink coffee, the classic coffee at the end of a meal and I always do, in fact—I mean, there's never a meal that ends without the end-of-the-meal coffee—
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and in fact, something kinda difficult for me when I go abroad or I'm on vacation but I'm not in Italy and there isn't the habit for espresso, for the macchiato at the end of a meal, I really feel an inner lacking, I mean, I just can't. But I get used to it after a little, but as soon as I get back to Italy - You suffer though - I go back to dear old habits. - Okay, now you go ahead - I wanted to say that in my opinion, you aren't very Italian because you respect the rules so I'm giving you a compliment. - Thank you - 'Cause, shall we say, a stereotype—that in the end is pretty true—of Italians is that they're sly (original word: "furbi"). What does sly (Italian word: "furbo") mean? Sly ("furbo") is a word that means a certain cunning, a certain...you know...ability to resolve a problem but in a not very honest way - I don't know- you know, in my opinion, it can have two connotations one more positive and one more negative - That's true - 'cause you can say: "Ah, finally I found a cunning ("furba") person
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as in finally someone who isn't stupid, an intelligent person, but - That's true - but you can also be sly ("furbi") like... What is it in English? Sly? - Sly - "Sly" and therefore, as in cunning but malicious - We make this gesture - in a malicious way therefore, let's say, sly ("furbo") in the sense that you wanna cheat the other person - Yeah - Or others in general - Yeah, exactly. A lot of Italians are sly ("furbi") in the sense that they look to cheat the system, no? To cheat the state, to not respect the rules. It's pretty true. We see it in everything. We see it in... We see it with driving. Italians who don't respect the rules 'cause they wanna arrive earlier. I don't know, we see it in many aspects of life in Italy, but you—in my opinion—have a sense of justice and better respect for the rules - Wow - I don't know if you agree with me. - Yeah, enough I'd say. I like rules
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I like to respect them - You know, it seems to me like the Italian's logic often is Oh, well, but they won't catch me anyway, they won't find me out even if I don't respect the rule, so why do I have to respect it? I mean if I respect it, I'm stupid, I'm an idiot 'cause I'm doing something just because it's right. No? That moral compass is a bit lacking, in my opinion, a lot of Italians who do things wondering if they'll get caught or not. While you it seems to me that on the other hand, you think about what's right and what's moral. - I'm taking that compliment and sneaking it home with me - Go and insult me now - No actually, I mean, I also have a compliment for you that ties back in with what you just said and, that is, with driving. Precisely because usually it's said that Italians drive badly and they perhaps drive fast let's say Davide's not the classic Italian boar who, I dunno, overtakes everyone to turn at the traffic light
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before everyone else or makes those kinds of infractions. Behind the wheel, you're—let's say—pretty calm, no? You don't drive faster than necessary. I dunno, to me you seem let's say, below the average Italian boars - Perhaps yeah, but I get pretty angry especially in stressful situations like in traffic, so I don't know, that's fairly...well, that's typical of the modern man, in the end - Yeah but, let's say, your behavior behind the wheel, therefore beyond the fact that others might make you angry, to me you seem pretty respectful of the limitations of the rules you know, you don't do anything striking but expect for parking because with parking, I don't know why, Davide couldn't care less he parks as he pleases - Yeah, let's just say that I'm not good at parking, or rather, I don't really feel like sorting it out perfectly, I mean like... really aligned, so maybe I'll have the car a bit like this - He doesn't make any effort, but mostly, he just couldn't care less. In fact, I admire you for this, just,
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couldn't-care-less attitude of yours - That's true - All right - Shall we move on? - Go on - I need to say something, so, I have two other things that, in my opinion, make you Italian - Okay - One is that, in my opinion, you have good taste in clothing but I have to make...I say that with reservation because usually, the stereotype is that Italians dress up, but with designer clothes namely, a designer outfit is Dolce and Gabbana, Armani, Trussardi, I dunno With you, it doesn't seem to me like you're showing off, that you flaunt designer clothes, designer items - No, I guess that's true - although for you it's important to dress up in a way that's cared for. Okay, the battery died while I was taking, but alright, you get the point. In my opinion, you look taken care of with your clothing, unlike me, being sloppy and shabby - In fact
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that's one of my points. - Okay - Not that you're sloppy and shabby, but in general you just beat me to it before, too. Namely that you don't seem very Italian in your appearance, precisely both because of your physical traits, and because of your clothing, which isn't the classic in my opinion, clothing of the average Italian guy, no? He's (re: the average Italian guy) a little bit too well-groomed maybe, very well-groomed, but you're a little bit more...let's just say you don't really care. - Actually Erika's right, I couldn't care less about clothing which I'm not saying is a good thing, I mean I think that it's also pretty negative when someone exaggerates in one sense or another. I think you need balance. But, guys, if I have a t-shirt like this, I'm irreproachable. There's nothing you can say to me - You're above everyone - so guys, you're really gonna need this shirt—when you go to Italy—to speak in Italian, and you see it's working because Erika's talking to me in Italian
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- Yeah, I read the shirt and I said no - Because she usually speaks in ancient Aramaic, so you can see that it's effective So I still had one other thing - Okay - Another bonus...I mean not bonus...another good thing is that I mean another thing that makes you Italian in my opinion is that you know how to cook well - So many compliments I'm getting today - Don't blush though. But in my opinion..in my opinion, you know how to cook well and you also like doing it. The stereotype about Italians, I have to say, about (female) Italians, usually this stereotype is foisted onto Italian women is that they know how to cook well. I think it's true for you. - Yeah, I like it. I mean, I don't know if I cook well, but let's say I get by and I like doing it. It relaxes me a lot and so yeah let's just say if you like something, you do it more often, so you learn, you get better, and you get good.
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- Yeah exactly. While with me, even then I'm not very good, but not because... I'm not very good simply because it's not a thing that I do very often - Exactly - And so that's actually kind of a thing that I'm ashamed of sometimes because abroad there's the idea, though, that Italians know how to cook well and I'm lucky if I know how to make pasta with tomato sauce, no? I'm not very good, I'm not really capable. I feel a little bit inferior, I feel that as an Italian I should show some skill or superability or superpower in the kitchen that I don't have - But you don't - Do you have anything else? Yeah, I had two other things that in my opinion make you Italian. One in particular, which is football (soccer). - It's true - It's true that, on the one hand, that lately especially, you've said to me that you're maybe not that passionate anymore about football (soccer) in general, but you really like seeing your team, and maybe sometimes you also organize your tasks in order to have time to watch the game..or at least, you get mad if your
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team loses. Your mood is affected by the team's performance, so in my opinion, in that, you're Italian We know that Italians are a little bit ill from football (soccer). - Yeah, on my calendar I have all of Juventus's games, which (re: Juventus) is my favourite team, the team that I root for, and so, I'm basically organizing my life. No, but to tell you the truth, years ago, I was a lot more obsessed, now a little bit less. But another thing that makes me Italian is that I like "calcetto." "Calcetto" (five-a-side football) would be football (soccer) played five-on-five, and for an Italian male usually the stereotype is that he has the "calcetto" group with which, on a weekday, he goes and plays, and this is true for me. You fall squarely into this. - I fall squarely into this, then. Even though I'm not good, but however, I have to show that I'm Italian. - Did you have other things? - I had something that makes both of us not Italian.
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Actually, I wanted to say that in your physical appearance, you don't look Italian either, I mean, more or less. For some things you do, but not for others, I mean Erika has very white skin Which isn't a very Italian thing - Yeah, that's true - But you have dark hair and dark eyes, so that makes you Italian. Let's say you're not very tall I say this without...but that's also very Italian - Yes - Therefore, in your physical appearance, let's say you're kinda half-way there -Okay - A thing that makes both of us not Italian is that we're not very extroverted, and we've spoken about it several times on the podcast, so we won't go into detail, but even if it may seem like we are from these stupid videos, actually we're people who in real life are afraid to talk to everyone. - Now maybe Davide's kinda exaggerating, but it's true that we're not particularly extroverted or, how do you say it,
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"caciaroni" (people who are loud and happy,) we're not rowdy. Maybe in the company of people who we know well, yes, or among close friends, yes, but in general, we're not very noisy. - Yeah, by the way, in the last video, I said that I hate physical contact, and there was a comment about this, and it seems to me that you also agree with me on this. We don't really like when people touch you like this..they come and touch you, people who you've known for five minutes. - But no, but not even the people..I mean, a thing that I hate is when people talk to you and touch you I don't know, I think to get your attention To get your attention, no? So, when someone talks to you and maybe touches your arm..but no, no, no, no, no - Yeah, but it's a very Italian thing, maybe, to seek physical contact, precisely, to get your attention to..I don't know. - Let's just say, however, that
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a lot of stereotypes about Italians kinda result from the image of the Southern Italian, of the Southern Italian, which we are not, or rather, you—in part are—in your origin. - Yeah, but culturally I haven't had much contact with the South - Culturally, you're from the North. My family is totally, entirely from Northern Italy, so neither in appearance nor in culture am I very Italian, but that doesn't mean that the Northern Italian doesn't have Italian characteristics - Sure - but it's true that the model of Italianness, the one who's eating pizza with one hand, with the other he's driving the Vespa I don't know..he's got the espresso ready, that more so an image of the South - Okay, I still had one last thing for you, and which is really confirmed by this last thing that you said and what you did, and that is that you gesticulate a lot You gesticulate quite a lot, at least in the videos. I don't know if you do it to.. because you have to explain, but if you rewatch this video, you'll see how many times you gesticulated
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I held onto that one for last 'cause I wasn't so sure. I said let's see what he does while he's talking to me but you proved my point - I think that there's a difference between how I am in the videos and how I am in real life, not just 'cause of the gestures 'cause in the videos, over time I've become a lot more expressive also in terms of gestures, of gestures - Yeah But in real life, I'm not like this. First of all, I talk in a different way while you more or less talk in the same way, I change my way of talking - In fact, it is kind of weird talking to you in the videos because, yeah, you're different, let's say you take on this habitus of Davide from Podcast Italiano. - Yeah but just look at the old videos to see how much more reserved and less expressive I was. But, I don't know, to me, it seems more interesting to see a person like this in a video than how I am in real life, that's why I do this, but
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yeah - But, in my opinion, even in real life, you gesticulate quite a lot less, certainly, than in the videos but you have this..mainly you always do, like, some movements with your hand to give emphasis to your speech Yes, yes, yes. I'll get you to take notice - Okay All right, I thought I wasn't a person who gesticulated a lot, but okay, I trust your opinion Thanks for getting this far and watching this video! Use this beautiful discount code if you wanna buy this shirt... and yeah. Thanks for coming to see us. - And let us know what your stereotypes are, what your stereotypical Italian is...and yeah. - See you in the next video -Bye - Bye Pizza, pasta, mandolin.

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