Real English Conversation \ Obsession over Vocabulary will not make you Fluent

Real English Conversation \ Obsession over Vocabulary will not make you Fluent

SUBTITLE'S INFO:

Language: English

Type: Robot

Number of phrases: 1634

Number of words: 10090

Number of symbols: 44320

DOWNLOAD SUBTITLES:

DOWNLOAD AUDIO AND VIDEO:

SUBTITLES:

Subtitles generated by robot
00:00
hey guys welcome back to the channel today i'm not alone i am joined by a person who has a lot of valuable information to share with us his name is john he's from chicago and he was my american accent coach so he teaches english an american accent and he actually has his own signature program and i'm very excited about this conversation for many reasons but especially because he has his own philosophy about learning languages and he has the
00:31
experience of both learning a new language and teaching it and i think a lot of people will benefit from this conversation hi john i'm so happy to have you here and thank you for making the time today to share with language learners your thoughts and your approach to learning languages yeah absolutely thanks for having me glad to do it it should be fun i think yeah i hope so okay so first of all tell us a little bit about yourself
01:02
what you do and uh why did you decide to start teaching english and not only teach english but come up with your own program uh well i went to slovakia several years ago to visit my family it's where my dad's family came from and i got the idea i could come back there and teach english because it seemed needed far eastern slovakia a little bit middle of nowhere and uh when i went back to do that on about day three i realized there's a problem i'm teaching 20 something year old
01:34
students who had studied english for five years eight years twelve i think fifteen might have even been the most a lot of vocabulary a lot of grammar they even had great questions for me but they couldn't understand me if i talked to them the way i'm talking right now what they wanted me to repeat myself slow down change things but i'm not using slang i'm not using technical language something was wrong i thought something the answer can't be let me speak like a google robot and we will have class i it did work by the way if i did that but i knew that's not going to be the
02:05
answer for four and a half months of english conversation and really using the language so i began to analyze my own speech do some research i went home like i was up all night like on the wednesday i was there and the first week i was there and i started thinking oh wow yeah we say gonna wanna but they know we're gonna wanna something else turns out there's like 40 of those half that has to out i shoulda coulda woulda trying to let me give me i bet you got you know the list is long then there's another 200 or 300 or more other small changes we make with vowel
02:36
sounds and chopping off consonants and then i began to realize okay what i'm speaking is not what they studied in school then they also i learned that not too many of them learned the th sound or the correct r or the short eye or other vowel sounds okay you put that together i see they can't talk to me so i began to split these lesson times with half of my own custom lessons and half of the original conversation plans that i was hired to do you know originally in that program and since then i've just added to it and
03:07
experienced more and put together what became a large book and total program addressing the deficiencies in particular i don't really teach grammar i don't really teach vocabulary as a goal but you can't avoid it because that's out there books on idioms they're great they're already out there i don't need to redo that same with verb tenses and all of that but real phonetics real conversation real usage it's missing i completely agree because yes i learned in that education system so i
03:36
know okay sure yeah yeah let me ask this next let's talk about this about obsession over vocabulary because a lot of people think that they need to learn vocabulary first that they think that they need to learn a certain number of words and that's going to be an indicator of their fluency and at the same time they are completely ignoring phonetics yeah okay you touched on a few big things here i'll try to keep it under an hour as i explain it
04:08
because it is that good of a topic and there are that many dimensions to it um understandably as adults we all get into a foreign language class and we look at chapter one the new vocabulary translated and it's fun and we are speaking and it's fun but that's not the right way that the human brain really learns a language if we emulate what the baby does we all say we wish we could be born there we wish we could have those developmental years it's really not just because the baby's young it's because he's quiet for six months or eight months before he cares about speaking
04:39
in that time his brain is acquiring everything around him all the sounds all the patterns all the combinations associated with the people and actions and objects he sees then he tries to speak and guess what he has no accent he has problems with motor skills because tongue muscle jaw muscle he doesn't have muscle skill yet like in his hands either but that's coming soon and quickly but his brain knows everything with no accent because we let it he let it work quietly in the background in the language center of the brain while it acquired the language
05:10
no adult ever does that so we get the results we do where we force our brain no speak today speak now speak these words and use half real phonetics half nonsense i don't care just speak and the brain does what it can in your original phonetics with a little bit of exchange but we get the results we see from everybody right so the obsession over vocabulary is a bad one i think you should let that develop as a byproduct of studying phonetics no adult can sit quietly like a baby for six months i know that it would be an
05:41
awesome experiment i wish we could do that with somebody just to prove it but assuming you must not be quiet as an adult then you you have to let the brain at least organize the foundation in it of where these sounds go this office space in your brain about where these files go what's connected what's not get rid of the bad information put in some of the missing information after you have that foundation now you can your brain opens up and it just is a vacuum just be around the language you can't help it pick it up subconsciously
06:12
that's how it works best and just let vocabulary happen as a byproduct don't obsess over it and then it'll happen in an explosive way when your brain is ready right so that is true yeah like i can see it in my son because he doesn't know anything about grammar he doesn't know anything about how to make sounds but yet he speaks and he listens like like children are very good listeners they are very observant and they are like sponges so
06:43
yeah yeah but but the adult can mimic that as much as he can at least he can't just quietly do that or reset the brain to a developmental stage but the language center of the brain in an adult still picks up subconsciously a ton of things you just have to put the right stuff in it right a little bit of effort i think we need to just let go of those thoughts like um i feel weird speaking another language what if somebody judges me what if i make mistakes we just have to let those things go because they're just getting in our way
07:15
that's true that's true that's more associated personality traits i know i wouldn't force some i wouldn't crack the whip over someone who's naturally withdrawn from those okay you're going to do it at a slower rate no problem but if it doesn't bother you at all to just be a little bold in front then do it do it and make mistakes keep making them it leads to success every time yeah okay so the follow-up question that i wanted to ask about making mistakes because um this is the question that concerns most people who are learning languages
07:46
is making mistakes okay do native speakers think we're stupid when we're making grammar or pronunciation mistakes oh no no there's a huge difference between being actually stupid and just not knowing something that's an inexperienced i guess is the word no no no of course not uh it is interesting to think though an adult who's 30 years old or 40 is limited by the language he knows so when it comes to explaining concepts his his language is simple almost like perhaps a child in a native in a native speech but no of course
08:18
that's not being stupid right so do it as much as you can and every time you do that you'll find from that you learn something new a new word a new phrase and it'll play it'll come up well two days later you need it again then again that's how it snowballs really yeah that's true just i've heard it so many times that people say like i can't even open my mouth because i know that i'm gonna make a mistake and i'm afraid that that person is gonna think that i'm just stupid because i'm supposed to know these things like i'm adult
08:49
like how can i not speak like this is a language so yeah this is just yeah in in our heads basically gotta get out of our heads for sure for sure so what do you think we should do to get our english to a very high native like level or maybe what in your opinion gets in the way of us getting to that level that's a good one yes uh well first of all i think you have to define for yourself if you really want that level it's not necessary at all to be a
09:21
competent speaker and live and love the language um so define if you want to be some kind of high-level speaker or high-level tourist speaker and use it as needed or if you truly want to live and feel and think in the language and be native-like if you do it's a tall order it's going to take plenty of work and concentration and programming that part of the brain properly for a while before it becomes that natural vacuum for the world around you you have to do that there's no other way to do that there is no exact rule for every time the t is followed by
09:52
an s with a schwa after it and you can't think that way and speak that way you can train that way to an extent but eventually you have to commit to i'm going to live there or at least surround myself with it and drown my life in it set your phone to english set your computer to english you can't go home and speak in little china and little italy all the time with your family and friends and i know a lot of people doing this in the chicago area these are all very common little you name it little greece little serbia little russia they're all there and when you keep living in that world
10:23
english will always be a hobby for you it'll be something you can call on as a tourist to navigate certain situations which is still valuable but not truly thinking and feeling in the language and you have to make those what i say is you have to actually invest in a period of time for a few months where you will make a ton of mistakes you might lose money in a transaction you might not pick up your friend at the right time you might screw up something big who knows but let it all happen because you relied on english only for some number of months and after that you'll see there's like your native speak your native language
10:54
is here your english is here but you'll see this change in this shift your native language will suffer a little but let it that's okay if you're committed to living in another country and you'll never forget it anyway completely just it'll suffer you'll forget obscure words you'll you'll incorporate some english sounds with a slight accent your friends will think it's funny when you talk on skype let that happen but that lets you grow to a massive degree and if you ever wanted your native language back just go live there for another what three weeks another month just go back to the country your brain is like you're suddenly you're the best
11:25
student on the planet for that language and you get it all back it's just letting go of that as the crutch that you're in right now or crutch that you're using right now yeah yeah that is totally true like for me for example i don't think that my english is on that level that i want not a native like level for sure uh but that happens to me that sometimes when i speak ukrainian i forget ukrainian words and i use some english words because i just
11:56
they just pop up in my head so that happens when i'm talking to my friends and of course some friends think that it's funny some friends will think that i'm weird or but whatever you know this is this is what happens what about some other styles have you incorporated like english schwa sounds or something that wouldn't be in a certain word i'd say that it's more um about the r sound and the th so i confuse those and incorporate them into my ukrainian speech yeah yeah yeah and
12:27
i think what you said like when people move for example to the us um well a lot of people and i uh have had so many comments about this that i've lived in the us for 15 years but i can't speak english and some people really they just can't um just say one sentence correctly in english they just know some basic words like hi bi they just live in their own little world like little russia or little italy that's exactly right i know
13:00
plenty of those people too i know the exact opposite someone who's been here for six months and speaks wonderfully someone who's been here for six years and we would use the phrase sounds like he just got off the boat and i know a lot of both and just to be real for a moment it's a little harsh but the reality is the person who's been here for more than six months and sounds like a tourist from from fifth grade is just a lazy person or a person with different commitments different priorities in life right maybe english doesn't have to be whatever it is in his life i don't know his whole schedule but he's telling me english is not a priority
13:31
there's no excuse for some level of fluency with being surrounded by the world you know in your everyday life and people that go to work at a company where they only speak spanish or they only speak chinese and they go home and they only speak spanish or chinese online to their friends and relatives and then they look at their phone and it's in spanish if you're going to keep doing that that you're going to tell me 15 years later that you can only yeah talk in the grocery store little and say hi and buy that's why they didn't let their native language suffer a little while their english would grow a ton they won't commit to
14:02
that process yeah a little bit of reluctance and fear is understandable but at some point if that's your goal no choice right you gotta do the work because um i guess a lot of people expect that if they just go to live to an english-speaking country english will just magically pop up in their heads and they're gonna start to speak english and use english and understand english and that's going to be so much easier i hear it all the time like
14:32
when i move or when i go there i'm going to start then because it's going to be so much easier than because everybody speaks english and i'm going to not going to have any choice but the reality is that you can't just come there and expect to start speaking english that's just unrealistic but some people do that's true yeah well coming here and doing nothing will help your brain will subconsciously do some things with some work so it will help but it won't do the work for you it's just one of the tools you have like now i'm in this world
15:04
perfect it's one of the extra tools you have to make use of to make proactive use of like you say yes yeah yeah well to me it was like when i was thinking about this when i was thinking about maybe i want to move somewhere to an english-speaking country i thought if i want to move there's going to be so many things that i'm going to have to work on and it's going to be so hard but at least here i can learn english and it's going to help me tremendously when i move i'm not going to feel like outsider and like i don't belong so it
15:35
oh yeah i thought that it's only logical to to do everything possible here to level up my english just yesterday i got this question on instagram from a person from russia i guess like because i posted a story with my son where we're in the park and we're speaking english so i call him alex there's a lot of people around and i say like he says that's a wolf and i'm like baby talk and he asked me like um so are you
16:07
do yes are you seriously speaking english around people with your family with your son like there in ukraine and i was like yeah he was like but what do people think do they think you're weird what do your relatives and friends say do they say you're weird and i was like i don't care what they say yeah right that's the answer right yeah i cared a little bit at the beginning it was like i felt a little bit weird because i
16:37
i was catching all those uh looks people which were just looking and listening but now i don't care like who cares you can think whatever you want to think this is my life i want to live it the way i want to live it and do what i want to do like if you're coming from that place like you're caring too much what people think about you you're not going to get ever to the place you want to get no that's part of your trade-off so that's something i think you knew going in if i do this it will cause some weird situations is that a reason not to do it
17:09
the answer is no very obviously no yeah but the trade-off is still well worth it yeah a little less than ideal but still i think for me i just had a very good motivation because i really wanted to teach my son english and i really wanted to give him this this chance to learn english like a native speaker like like this is his native language that's what i wanted for him and that was a huge motivation and i knew that i'm gonna be his main source of this language so i just
17:41
needed to push through you gotta have kids and you've got to teach them english that might be that one of the most effective systems out there yeah yeah well well it's true it is i guess for someone like me who's a little bit of obsessive over um pronunciation acts and culture like i really want to dive into that it is very beneficial for everyone around here like for my husband for example for my kid for my mom
18:11
although she's like almost 60 years old okay what do you think is the most efficient and fastest way to improve speaking skills and what does one has to do in general to improve their speaking skills well i believe it's related to what we talked about about programming the foundation of the brain the right way first and that is phonetics as much as we don't like to hear that and let vocabulary happen as a byproduct and grammar and so on later i don't know about fastest being anything like a
18:43
shortcut to anything i'm not a fan of that and anything are you gonna get are you gonna become a millionaire in a month anybody trying to sell you that is really just trying to sell you the 49.99 book about how to do that not really you know the actual become a millionaire and this is gonna be the same thing here if it's worth having it's hard that's anything in life this is true for language fluency it takes some time i do think it's not crazy long it's anywhere from an investment period of three or four months on the short end of true true commitment six nine ten months on the higher end or a year or two if you really you know
19:15
space it out with your commitment and that's it with with the right work that's all you need and you'll achieve incredible results right so not that long it doesn't have to be it's a function of how much you're willing to work at it you know are you willing to study a little bit every day and then some serious hours at least every other day three four months will be a total makeover six months you could achieve anything yeah you just have to make it a habit i guess and if you can't do it on your own then get some help like commit
19:46
to classes and people always ask me like what should i do like a specific step what should i what should i do first and the next step and and what is the fastest way because people are impatient of course this is natural nobody wants it to take forever yeah that makes total sense okay well that's interesting like you've worked with lots of people and you've met lots of immigrants in the us from your experience why do you think some people succeed
20:19
in learning english and especially acquiring an american accent and others don't even though they attend classes and learning for years uh you're talking only about the people who live here and have that result those mixed results not only about those people you just have the experience like um communicating with different people from all around the world and especially immigrants i'm talking about immigrants because um they have a little bit of an advantage being there
20:49
in their big advantage right they don't know they don't all use it to its fullest but they do all have it the advantage around them yes um well it's different for people who don't live here and want to learn english for uh motivation for work or personal hobbies or some travel i know that that's not gonna that's gonna be harder obviously much harder but it can still be done you're living proof of it for example so if you do work at it and and are a bit obsessed with it
21:19
it will come for those who live here and why we get the mixed results i think it's something we touched on earlier some just want to go home and live in little mexico and little italy and little russia and little poland every day and that's what they do and english is just a hobby i'm called a hobby even though they wouldn't use that word but that's what it is like i take guitar lessons but i'm not a professional musician i just enjoy using it and playing it once in a while and i'm pretty good at it but i'll never be on a stage in front of you know 40 000 people but that's okay and a lot of people treat their language learning that exact way as long as i sit in class and i memorize some things i'm
21:51
learning and i can you know i can transact something at home depot if i have to oh great if that's your goal and that's what a lot of people do even those who live here and that's their results then the others i've had several and uh you're one of them who study intently and care about every little sound and write stuff down remember it later incorporate it in what i do well those results show differently incredibly better yeah yeah so it'll just comes down to again do the work you have to do the work
22:21
you have to what is the price it's not about like telling yourself to crack the whip over your own back it's about if it's not a big priority you won't get good results or you'll get something mediocre if it is a big priority whether it should be or shouldn't be i don't know the answer but if it is it'll come yeah where there's a will there's a way that applies for sure yeah totally true yeah if you wanted otherwise just be honest with yourself people who don't understand what we just explained and they just want the the get-rich-quick way of doing it or what what are the
22:53
2000 words i need only i don't want the other 8 000 i only want the two that i have to use that's ridiculous and dumb and treating it like a little bit of a hobby you won't make much use of if that's what you want to do go ahead but know that no you will sound speaking half english half nonsense and misusing things but you'll get through a lot of situations in a tourist type of way but yeah you don't sound like either of us talking right now it's it's only the things that we've said we've been through or that we are aware of that achieves it there's no substitute okay so
23:24
let's talk about spoken english and how it is different from written english okay that's opening a can there right yes it's true and i was not aware of that for 95 of my life of course because we just write what we write and speak what we speak and it's all normal to us but uh what i alluded to before when i was in slovakia and i started analyzing first of all my own speech then some others with some research i discovered it really is a different language so different so it's advice to students is to be patient in that process
23:58
it's true what you speak and think you should speak and what you hear from us isn't what's on paper and in the classroom it turns out that we chop off consonant sounds we combine words we change vowel sounds to other vowel sounds which is sometimes crazy sometimes understandable um and the final version of what we speak they'd like to say it's fast speech but i don't like that i think that's a bit of a misnomer because this is this is fast speech if i speak fast i do this now i talk fast this is fast this is me talking fast fast fast fast but that's not really what we do when we
24:28
talk what we do is we chop off sounds we change longer vowels to shorter sounding vowels and the final version of what i speak just takes less time some consonant sounds too i've noticed that my tongue will go and make twenty percent of it or ten percent of it which i've learned is enough for me as the sender of the message to give the native speakers ears just enough hint that yeah there's a th there yeah there's an r there there's a d there i don't know how to teach that or coach that exactly yet i've been working on some of that but uh
24:59
that's a part of the phenomenon too so we speak i don't know 60 of what you would write on paper but that's the final version it's not faster i still have to make every sound there but it's fewer sounds and some of them are shorter than the originals yeah different language yeah when i started incorporating all these tips that you gave me uh into my speech and into my videos i got a lot of people like um saying that i'm speaking too fast and they just
25:30
can't understand me some people well you know different people different opinions so but a lot of people said that i'm speaking fast and i was like i'm not speaking fast native speaker uh who who will listen to me will tell them that i'm not speaking fast it's like i'm speaking pretty slowly actually but i'm just using this what i what i call what we call here language learners connected speech and reductions and to me it sounds better it sounds
26:00
more natural and i like it better so when i'm listening to myself and when i'm editing my videos i'm more satisfied with the outcome because it sounds better than when i spoke for example a year and a half ago let's say i didn't use all these things and it sounded a little robotic for me so yeah i think i haven't told you about that and seeing some old video that i saw of yours uh it was excellent outstanding speech and pronunciation but i noticed as i'm listening my native speaker ears wanted to pull in the
26:30
message faster because i can process the data much more quickly give it to me faster not faster like this like talk fast fast but just without spaces with the proper connections with the proper changes and sounds and it's it causes a little impatience even in me as a listener now it's different talking to you now and recently it's different and it's it's connected it's at the right pace it's we just we love for some reason english is like this melodic version of syllables where we love starting with a consonant sound ending with a vowel sound every syllable and we rearrange words to do that we take
27:02
syllables or you know ending consonants from one put it with the vowel of the next you would never believe what the final version looks like if we were supposed to write it in words and it's all those syllables english is all syllables it isn't really words yeah well i would believe because you showed me so now i know well you the audience may not uh believe it until you see some of it how crazy it is when i take the n off of in and put it with the schwa a next to it and make it in for n a and whatever and yeah we can go on forever on those but how we really
27:32
deconstruct it into a different song really yeah and that's what it is that's what's on tv that's what's in movies that's what uh your friends are if you know them in the us that's what they're doing yeah yeah totally and as far as um listening skills go i would say that don't search for something easy like if you're a complete beginner of course you would start with something easy with someone who speaks really slowly because you're just starting out and you need to get used to it but when you're listening to someone
28:03
who speaks really slowly all the time you're not going to be able to improve your listening skills that's easy you got to level up true so that's my answer like i'm not of course answering to every single person and i'm not saying this but i want to say this like don't search for easy ways no this is not how you learn this is not how you improve no true so let's discuss um should i call it an attitude that
28:34
people have like you you work with um russians and ukrainians russian ukrainian polish slovak shack in that area of the world and i've noticed that it started out just with slovak because of my background and where i was but i noticed that the same exact deficiencies occur in all of those students from all of those countries a lot i think the education systems are similar uh the languages do all have the similar sounds almost identical with a few little differences so you get the same uh deficiencies especially in phonetics
29:05
yeah yeah um okay so what can you say about people's like well just as we said attitude and their approach to learning language and um their mindset when they're resisting all the changes that they have to make that's true that's one of the things we could have mentioned earlier that gets in the way of people's progress that's true many students have that even though the intellect is perfectly good the motivation is good but they
29:36
don't want to replace this stuff i learned in grade school in high school that i know is english but really it's not it's fake english it's half english half nonsense um okay a couple of things that i've noticed is students love to look at the english alphabet and just assign one sound to every letter okay every time i see a i will say ah every time i see b every time i see you know the letter i will be e but really the e sound is like the fourth most common sound the letter i makes in english
30:06
the letter a makes many sounds and ah is the fifth or sixth most common sound it makes plus they all combine with others the english language is simply built differently different history different construction different roots and the letters function differently only about a third of the alphabet functions like one letter one sound one letter one sound like k and m and you know about a third of the alphabet does that two thirds of it won't do that you have anywhere from one to six sounds for various letters so if you have the mindset that every time i see this letter i make this sound
30:37
well you're gonna speak that sound you know ten or twenty percent of the time well twenty percent of the time enough we can understand you and half the time nonsensically um that's that's big the second thing is they students tend to think i don't need to learn new mechanics and new sounds i can just use the sounds that already exist in my language and i can be close enough or substitute not really you can do that with some sometimes but it also leads to half english half nonsense and it also causes words to become different words i would i would liken
31:08
this to the analogy of uh let's say you decided you're going to learn chinese and for those of us that are not from that part of the world we look at that as like wow all these characters they look so foreign they're so different from our alphabets and our sounds of course right and if you look at chinese characters with a background from a european language and you think well every character that's the closest to the one in my alphabet i'm gonna put that sound with it and every time i see that chinese character i'm gonna make that sound would you be speaking chinese laughably no right
31:38
speaking in this case we understand 100 nonsense not even half well why do you approach english that way they do that a lot of my students they love to approach the english alphabet and words just like its russian vocabulary they didn't learn yet and if you do that the result in this case is still half english but half nonsense you have to break that mindset so change it to i'm open to these letters being all these different sounds i don't have to learn every little rule or every root of every word just stay with it practice over and over and what happens is
32:10
you're not right but you're zeroing in on the goal over time you zero in on it like the way mathematical curves do you zero in on it over time and your brain will get there the third thing related to that in the approach is vocabulary related like we talked about earlier don't obsess over it if it's your goal like i have phonetics lessons and students look at those words oh what does that mean what does that mean oh will i ever need that word what does that mean stop stop you're missing the point of this entire page we're training the foundation of the language center of your brain for phonetics don't worry about it go
32:41
home later and look up a little few things if you want it doesn't even matter your brain will receive all of this in a few months when it's ready when it opens up properly right now phonetics phonetics patterns right right so those three things yeah the one letter one sound the i don't need new sounds and i need vocabulary those are the three big things that get in the way of an otherwise capable student and well motivated but i remember that i would just like demand from people repeat repeat this word over
33:11
and over and over again and make the sound try try to relax i'm not judging you here i'm just you know like if you think that it's funny or weird it's okay we can laugh on this because a lot of people are just very uh self-conscious about opening their mouths and making the th sound like showing your tongue this is like a huge problem for some people especially uh like from ukraine or russia we're not used to this well you can get away with touching the back of your upper teeth if they don't want to you have to practice a little more finely but
33:42
yeah when you start you do want to make it overdo it you're right yeah yeah it doesn't have to be that way yeah of course this is what i'm saying like when you're practicing you're doing this like this like overdo it uh let's laugh a little bit let's relax let's have fun with this because when you're speaking you're not going to speak like that you're not going to be showing your tongue to everybody especially if you're using connected speech it's just impossible so uh yeah and i'm just keep pushing like i can see you gotta do more
34:12
because you're here you have you're having this lesson and you have to do everything you can right now because i know that you're well not everybody but you're not going to practice at home so let's let's make the most of this lesson and a lot of people just resist it so much like but i've already pronounced this word like ten times already said the sentence a couple of times that's like enough that's not enough you got to do more if if this is your goal if this is what you want if you want to have good results then
34:44
yeah yeah and don't let them students don't underestimate the value of even small amounts of practice five minutes a day if especially if it's regular it's like always on my lunch break or always in the evening before i brush my teeth if there's some time where five minutes ten minutes even it doesn't have to be any more than that yeah just practice something you have that you can re re-read and read again and then take a break for a few seconds then again put some good concentration concentration during those repetitions uh it's a small amount that has a huge benefit huge benefit
35:15
yeah um even i don't really speak slovak but i did learn a good amount of it before i went there and i was able to read it very well uh people had me read things or say things i had no idea what i was saying but they got a kick out of it because wow your pronunciation is so good that's so good but i don't know what i'm reading you know some sign or whatever so i did force myself to learn the phonetics very well very slowly regularly a little bit every day it didn't pay off uh did work it doesn't have to be an hour just has to be good concentration if it's only five minutes great if it's 10
35:47
awesome yeah yeah and another related to that too another big recommendation is accuracy before speed you have to i notice students like to read through things so quickly with terrible phonetics they just dismiss plurals and possessives and they change prepositions and they substitute articles and what's the final message of what they read in two sentences who knows nonsense they don't even no wonder they don't know what they read don't just blow through it at breakneck speed accuracy first it'll be slow and painful for a while but after a little time then speed then try to combine and try
36:19
to connect phrases at a time accuracy first yeah always yeah i can relate because i did that as well i noticed that that i'm doing this yeah then i'm just like reading and and then i'm rereading because i didn't understand the meaning and then i'm noticing that i read not the thing that was written and i was like why why is this keep happening like i have to concentrate and slow down that's true accuracy first yeah no problem speed comes naturally you let it happen it
36:50
will you can force it a little like you said to have fun i have students laugh a little with some pronunciation drills with v's and f's and short eyes and it gets that way because i speed i tell them forward backward now fast and then they do it fast like okay now let's do it fast what oh fast you know we all laugh a little and then we get a little tongue twisters but you know what else comes out of those is oh my god he did it she did it like wow okay and the brain just made some certain advancement in connection force it laugh a little when you don't get it but then mostly stick to accuracy
37:20
yeah yeah yeah it'll come oh oh okay so i remember you told me that you don't watch hollywood movies because they distort the perception of america americans and real life in the u.s right so what would you recommend for people to watch to practice the their listening skills and uh for getting familiar with the culture of the us wow you put me on the spot a little bit with that one because we can go into tangential discussions in so many areas
37:53
that i'm not going to do here i will spare everyone but uh it is sad and i think it happened a long time before my life but during my life i noticed i stopped watching movies around the year 2000 i just i started seeing through all the terrible messaging and subversive messaging and the mismanagement of human sexuality and finances and maturity and self-esteem and the disgusting destruction of the family and so many things that they promote and the negative messaging was just not for me it's true in television and radio and pop music
38:23
i mean how bad has that gotten in recent years right so um but to learn the language yes they are great sources for the language themselves itself so uh that's a tough one uh one of the greatest tools i think is to use audio books from something you know and love a subject you're into but listen to it while reading it that way you know you have the voice in your ear that is native speech and then you have the words that you can't really totally butcher in your own native language with that
38:54
influence and that programs the brain well books can be propaganda sometimes they can be awesome but as long as they're interesting to you it doesn't matter when your focus is oh how are these words connected how is that short vowel sound you know yeah i would recommend for a lot of reasons to get away from hollywood movies and american television and everybody around the world loves friends but if you break down what that show's really about and what they promote it's disgusting and i'm sorry i can't in good conscience recommend it it is funny it made me laugh a lot for 10 years or more it was
39:26
but i just i've learned better yeah right you also have to like filter information that you're getting so you can watch something for improving your listening skills and your language skills in general but just uh not really be into that message that they're sending so that's what that's what i'm finding myself in a lot of the times when i'm watching some movies i'm like okay i want to watch something in english like i'm surrounding myself
39:57
with english and of course youtube is a great place because you can find some interviews on here and you can like listen to some real conversation speech but i love i love movies and sometimes i notice that i can be very disappointed by the whole with the whole movie but the whole message but i'm like um justifying this with the fact that i'm like learning english at the same time so yeah i think that's perfectly fine if
40:28
you can actually concentrate on what you're listening to reading learning uh all awesome find your news find your movies uh yeah but yeah right aware you still start paying attention to the messages they are grossly distorted and it is the nature of today it's lacking truth so badly it's just spiraling out of control in recent years and uh it's unbelievable you would never know what the us really is about from what is anywhere near televisions and news media none it's disgusting it's shocking and disgusting
40:59
um yeah so but it's it's the nature of the beast right but it still can't teach you english i will admit that yeah yeah it's still too long of course yeah okay do you think there comes a moment when when you can just stop learning english like where is that point like i can just stop i know enough english that i can just stop stop listening stop practicing my speaking skills you know or do you still learn something new every day maybe about your native
41:31
language even yeah if that point exists i'm not there yet so i don't know i i would imagine i'm gonna go to the grave still not having learned all i could uh that's true at least in the area of vocabulary and etymologies and history of the language and sounds and words for sure so yeah and if that's what a native speaker is telling you then of course a student never stops you can relax certain things you can stop obsessing over every little bit of an accent and just live with one which is actually part of a person's charm and
42:02
natural personality and nothing wrong with that to a certain degree a heavy thick one people don't really want to talk to you a nice little charming one awesome i know people that have had that their whole lives and i never have to communicate with them in any different way or yeah yeah so you can stop obsessing over some of that but as far as stop learning idioms and usage and finer points of grammar i think it's a lifetime a lifelong process yeah you have to like keep
42:32
keep the language alive if you if you want to keep using it you have to you have to keep listening you have to keep speaking because you're just going to forget all these things if you stop but you can stop obsessing over this that's yeah you can you can you can obsess a little early with the phonetics i'd like to encourage that because people need it so badly uh even though obsession is not maybe totally healthy but we do need it yeah then after that you can relax a little when the brain has the foundation you can relax and let the natural vacuum effect take take hold and if you can surround
43:03
yourself with the influences it'll come yeah and yeah right well i'm actually i'm very lucky that i have like my husband that just encourages me and my son that i have the opportunity to practice my english with basically now but obsessing yes i am obsessing because sometimes when for example one little example when we're outside and i wanted to say something to alex and i butchered a word
43:33
i'm just gonna be repeating it constantly till i get it right there outside when i'm on a walk with my son i'm just going to be repeating it until i get it right so that's how obsessive i am well how about uh you told me the uh watching something with him and he just said mommy yeah yeah that's that's funny but i understand i understand both of you in that situation i get both of you yeah and as i told you like now he says uh whenever i speak ukrainian he says mommy don't speak so funny oh that's
44:06
funny like not to him because when i speak to other people in ukrainian it's fine but not to him and this is so cool like this is what i this is what i wanted he's just gonna keep pushing me i guess so that's right if i get lazy what do you notice the most um when russians and ukrainians speak english the first thing that you notice or the first thing or the main thing that they need to work on
44:39
regarding their pronunciation uh regarding just their pronunciation yeah well like first thing that you would like to let people know um they i don't want to say should improve but yeah it should improve to sound better and to like make their accent less noticeable uh that's a good one and i've certainly experienced with a lot of students now in the last several years for the ones who are lower end some are higher end already and they could use
45:09
some fine tuning and a little more experience but that's not really it's not required at that point but on the lower end for clarity of speech so that i don't have to listen five seconds behind you and follow you and solve the puzzle and decode everything because i do that constantly but let me tell you no one else does that not another person they ever talk to in their lives will do that we just don't care after two sentences of this stuff that doesn't hit our ears properly it's like well whatever okay okay see you later and that's how it goes um i think the biggest thing i noticed
45:39
all the things that i've put into my lessons which is those vowel sounds that are either missing or substituted with existing russian or ukrainian sounds and then the few consonant sounds like swapping the v and w almost all the time or just ignoring the th and making it a z or an s it's that short list of things the r you can get away with we just don't use it but we still know it's an r but really those vowel sounds when you have no idea there's a short double o and it's really look and book and not luke which is a man's name and not book
46:10
which is not a word and really that cook is a person that works in a kitchen but a kook is a crazy person it's spelled with a k in the beginning uh it's those things your brain doesn't even know those exist or the short eye that it's you know it's christmas not christmas and you you live there you don't leave there which is a different verb it's those things i pick up quickly that i'm translating constantly so i'm okay but i know people who talk to them are not and that's the whole reprogramming of the foundation of the language center of their brain that they have to undergo at some point or it will always be
46:40
half english half nonsense out of their mouths and in their comprehension it's interrelated it's it's how they read it's how they you know i have uh some of my lessons you've seen what one line or two lines of directions for most exercises straightforward english nothing crazy every student all the time reads two lines of text and has zero idea what he just read zero and even ones who can speak fairly well but it's it's interrelated that you didn't even know these sounds exist or these combinations
47:10
or even these messages right so you have again it comes back to what we said earlier you have to learn that foundation the right way and then let the brain pile on the fun stuff the idioms and expressions and talking like will smith and tom cruise that comes later you can't do that on day one or date 10 or 50. it's after the foundation is there yeah yeah not perfect that's another thing too i have to students think that now we're like too crazy and perfect about every little sound every little correction we practice that way but the real life result is a notch below that which is fine
47:41
so the goal is not perfection unless it is your goal but otherwise it's somewhere in that very good excellent range so that people don't shy away from talking to you so they don't have to solve the puzzle while you speak three seconds behind you that's really all you have to have all of them need exactly what i just said yeah yeah and i agree um okay so what can we take away like main points from this conversation that you have to listen listen a lot listen carefully pay
48:12
attention and then work on your pronunciation that's yeah you have to treat fanatics as a higher priority than you ever thought before no teacher told you that no classroom required it because they just don't do it the right way and they'll tolerate this they'll tolerate speaking like half language half nonsense from day one your brain your brain will just do it you know you're training it good or bad it'll be trained that's number one and right along with that i think as we said earlier define your goal is your goal to be like speaking in the us and have nobody ask you where you're from that's somebody's
48:43
goal well that's going to take way more work way more immersion in it but you can do it is your goal just well one month every summer i travel there and i want to communicate better or i have a job that requires some english clients i have to speak to that's different you don't need that kind of perfection but you still do need phonetics to at least some very good degree first that applies to everyone don't ignore that and i find it a huge problem to be a huge problem that still a lot of teachers teach english
49:14
starting from grammar vocabulary listening maybe and only then pronunciation and only if i was once told that by a teacher at university i was just at my hairdresser's and she was just heard me speaking that i teach english and pronunciation and she said like interrupting me in my hairdresser that i think that nobody needs pronunciation like right away people need vocabulary and
49:44
grammar and only then and only if they wanted to they could work on their pronunciation that's not important of course they didn't argue with her but i was like okay set you off a little right yeah yeah i was a little bit like apollo because this is what you teach your students and that's why they go out in the world and they can't speak english and they don't understand english yeah the baby knows nothing about grammar and he speaks beautiful english after a couple of years of just
50:15
getting his muscle dexterity and that brain connection it's yeah right exactly yeah just as i told you sometimes we're just so amazed by our son when he speaks we're just like how do you know that like because he listens a lot because everything we watch is in english of course cartoons are in english he has some english classes at his daycare and he communicates with me and maybe i'm not noticing these things but i keep teaching him all the time i keep correcting him i keep searching for
50:46
information when he asks me something like what's this or what's that and when i want to explain something and i don't know how to explain this i google this i find information and i explain this in english still in english and i just say okay wait a second mommy's gonna search for an answer and that's it okay good both of you will learn yeah yeah this is yeah for me this is super beneficial like i said i'm a little bit selfish here yeah but it also requires work right you have to like google things all the time
51:20
oh yeah yes yeah okay i think that we're done here so thank you so much for sharing all of this and i really appreciate you um taking the time today to talk to me although it's already nighttime in chicago oh don't worry about that yeah thank you that was uh an awesome conversation i really enjoyed it yeah you bet me too i hope it's beneficial to all of those who listen and glad to do it and maybe in the future we'll have some follow-up when
51:52
you and i learn more things that we can add because we learn to learn that's true okay bye john okay bye anna

DOWNLOAD SUBTITLES: