Can real KNIGHTS exist in the modern day?

Can real KNIGHTS exist in the modern day?

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this episode of shanna versity is brought to you by my stupendous awesome supporters on patreon if you'd like to support chana versity on patreon visit patreon.com forward slash shadow versity [Music] greatings I'm shad and I want to talk to you about an interesting kind of question and discussion that comes up now and in in the medieval esteem you natee all many facets of the medieval enthusiast community whether it's fantasy
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hema reenactments the whole gamut and it's the question of can we be Knights in the modern day or can Knights exist in the modern day I have come across both categorical yes and the categorical no in regards to this discussion and I'm not really sure what my own opinion is though a couple of things do come to mind and I kind of realize well it's clearly a matter of perspective depending on what your perspective is the answer will be no and depending what it is that's right and which perspective
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is correct well they both kind of I which means it's both right now and it depends where you want to fall and so the first thing about this is what do you consider to be a knight if a knight is distinctly a type of soldier that existed in the medieval period that's what for loyalty to a noble Lord and tried his best to follow what he understood to be chivalry or his Lord understood to be shivery because it was a very subjective thing well then Knights can't exist in the modern day because they are a medieval thing okay it's a medieval knight and if
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you take it as you know this thing outside of that historical context there's no longer a nice and this is interesting because I've had this discussion on another video where I do kind of explore this question somewhat but instead of the modern day I'm talking about the pre medieval period did Knights exist before the medieval period and in that video I did take the stance and I kind of have you know more evolved my opinion to be more solidly that when referring to a medieval knight it needs to be a type of warrior that
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specifically exists the medieval period to avoid confusion and the types of warriors that existed in other time periods another call that were very very comparable to what a knight was and whether it's a more simplistic definition of a knight as a soldier on horseback because that was kind of the genesis meaning of the term Knight well that also depends on the type of language used to do this it can be a complicated thing all right Knight originally didn't mean horsemen okay it was Chevalier them in horsemen but that was the French word for Knight the English word for Knight comes from
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the word connect or nectar I don't know how to pronounce it which means bondsman or button servant but of course was adopted to refer to these soldiers that are on horseback receive the confusion and I actually love the confusion because I find it mentally stimulating when you think about all these facets and elements to the discussion now in this sense okay if a knight is distinctly a medieval type of warrior so we can have an important distinction between the types of worries that existed in medieval Europe as opposed to the very similar warriors that existed before then and after and in other cultures because if you define
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a knight simply by what they did separate to culture and time period all then according to that definition a samurai can be a knight or the cataphracts could be nice as well they're very similar and in funny they cataphracts are more like than mounted soldiers but the samurai are more like the soldiers that sworn ER you know fealty to a higher lord and followed a very significant code of conduct that have a lot more similarities and differences looking at chivalry and Bushido but there is a very important need to have a distinction between
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Knights and samurais because even though they have a lot of similarities there's a lot of big differences the cultural thing for one exist in two different parts of the world and so calling them both Knights on both several now it doesn't work good distinction is important and to keep that distinction you then need to add this time period and cultural period to what a knight was and if that is the proper distinction of a knight or then no it's impossible to have Knights in the modern day because Knights only existed in the medieval period and after it but what about modern nights because knighthood is a
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thing that ink still exists so then he grants switches whole things up completely or clearly that's something completely different and that is defined by someone who's received a knighting by the state now it doesn't usually it's a monarchy doesn't necessarily have to be not according to my basic understanding because there are several monarchies not just Britain but I'm part of the Commonwealth I live in Australia and knighthood they're invited aziz and there are not like this is something that the british crown still does to this day because the concept of
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knighthood has clearly evolved over time i had started as a more military kind of thing and evolved to a more serve or even governmental but then more social honorific in society but compared to these modern knights in this in the sense of people who have been knighted they are very different to maybe evil Knights they're not equivalent they're they in fact there's a larger difference between modern Knights like in the sense of people with 19's then there are a difference between summarize at night to
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summarize far closer to what a medieval knight is then a modern-day person has a knighthood and so what right do we have to call them night so I can call samurai night see the difference so clearly there are different types of knights and I do think it is important to make this distinction between people who are you know modern-day people who have been knighted compared to medieval Knights because of the whole military soldier element and also the chivalry side chivalry was taken quite seriously in the medieval period but we misunderstand what chivalry is I've made a whole video on it it's kind of highly required
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watching if you want to be really engaged in this discussion to know brief summary doesn't do it justice you really should watch the whole video I do encourage you chivalry is a subjective thing and there are interpretations of chivalry that outright contradict other interpretations of chivalry it doesn't mean that it wasn't taken seriously it very much was it was referred to in literature in conversation the regular person to the highborn person they all had an idea of what chivalry was in their own mind and if you became a knight you wanted to follow chivalry
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whatever chivalry happened to be to him or the Lord he served more often the Lord he served but in the modern day this important component of chivalry has KY to be taken away yet not because there is a modern day almost interpretation of chivalry and there's a as they say like and it's more about being a gentleman you know he was very chivalrous kind of thing like that but the difference is is with modern-day knighthoods there isn't this expectation that people who have been knighted should be chivalrous okay but in the
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back in the day that kind of went hand in hand chivalry effectively meant all those qualities that an individual or a group of people subjectively believed made a good knight these qualities that made a knight good at his job and if that was being a jerk killing peasants that was chivalrous it was protecting peasants that also was Shiva Restless objective but it was fundamentally those qualities at the individual subjective person saw that made a knight good at being a knight that connection doesn't exist with chivalry today we even say that people
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can be chivalrous without being Knights and people can have knighthoods without swearing to follows chivalry or even giving a toss about it so like I said that before the actual answer to this question is that there's more than one type of knight and if you want to think of yourself as more in line with the classical medieval Knights well first of all modern knighting don't mean spit you don't need to worry about that but some people have believed if you do what a night does and one of the things is is a
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knight was a soldier but people have kind of pushed that aside a bit and say no no look at the they are justing the jewels the competitions and stuff like that and that was a very classical thing about knighthood seeking glory in competition against other knights and they would go in the great tournaments and so there are some competitive kind of sports organizations that have brought up you know area and a structure and medieval combat and they call their combatants Knights now there there's been criticism lobbed against them calling them a knight and like I said I
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think it's a matter of context if you're trying to say that these guys are the same as medieval Knights that's bullcrap no they're not but if you're trying to say well what they're a type of Knight because it's a word and we're adopting it and they're doing kind of things like Knights I actually don't have too much of an issue with that because languages think that evolved and if you want to create a new type of Knight as long as you're making a distinction that they are not absolutely equivalent or the same as say a medieval knight or even a modern-day person
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has a knighthood Opower - yeah in fact it's already been done the Jedi Knight now they don't exist in the real world but it's a distinction a separate kind of night that is being created in pop culture and perfectly happy wood to accept and no person is getting confused between a Jedi Knight and a medieval knight but they use the word knight in the sense that these are warriors that are trying to follow an important or higher ideal even though I have more issues with the Jedi Knight kind of ideal they're not nearly as you know
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righteous as they proposed to be like seriously denying all emotion being completely emotionless and as you know everyone said only a Sith deals in absolutes which means the Jedi don't believe in being absolutely good they don't deal in hassles anyway did I so for myself I don't have too much of an issue with modern-day re-enactors or people who are doing reenactments a mock combat type things are calling themselves Knights as long as there's a distinction there for instance they could call themselves an SCA Knight or
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AHIMA Knight or someone pretending to be a medieval knight but pretending okay to say you are a medieval knight is to try and say that you live in the medieval period following chivalrous want wile Ord making your living through your profession as a full-time soldier or even part-time soldier part-time soldiering did kind of exist in the medieval period and stuff like that because Lords were Knights as well then there's a couple of different confusing things about as well at an actual fact if someone wants to call themselves a knight aren't based on the you know
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foundation that they are trying to follow what they see as a sugar shove chivalric chivalric ideal and you live your life accordingly you probably have more ground to call yourself at night if you're you know also why don't you know throw the sword use a sword somewhere in there as well you probably are more grounds to call yourself an IDE and certainly the people who've received knighting x' in the world so i can't hold too much against people like that words are appropriated all the time and at night as a word has remained in the english language and has evolved as well
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to the point where in actual fact if you were to try and define what a knight is in the modern day you would have to look to modern day writings because that's what it currently is so much so that when referring to Knights of the medieval period you really do need to use that prefix a medieval knight as opposed to what Knights have evolved into in the modern day which of course is a very far cry and then it comes down to what people want to consider is the real Knight is it the modern knight or is it
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the medieval knight and this is very much a subjective thing which means there's basically no definitive answer but to find the answer for each individual for you for me it's a simple matter of asking ourselves what image is conjured in our mind when we say think of a knight now for me whenever someone says that I think of a medieval knight not a modern-day Knight which is just a regular Joe who's received a knighting and because of that whenever I think of what the word Knight means I think of the actual real authentic historical Knight of the medieval period it's just
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that people who've received knighting czar legitimate night and have claimed on the word itself as much as calling historical Knights Knights it's just that they are not the same thing the thing is though for myself and I'm sure for many of you and many people in the world the awesomeness of the real medieval knight is so cool that many of us simply want to be Knights because it's awesome who wouldn't want to be a knight now we can't be an authentic medieval knight because we don't live in the medieval period and would be pretty damn stupid to try and fight modern day
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combat the way that Knights fought in the medieval period you don't bring a sword to a gunfight unless you run out of ammo so it might be useful just you know holding a sword with you for a backup I know that's dumb but obviously if I've went to war I'd still want to carry a sword of me just in case I reckon a sword is a better weapon than a bayonet I'm getting distracted what I'm basically trying to say here is that it's fundamentally impossible to resurrect the true combative art of the night in real military combat the only way to try and bring back this combative
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art is in sports not in warfare and so reenactment groups like the SCA or battle of Nations they actually come as close as you probably can come to medieval night like combat in the modern day because if you want to experience what it might have been like to be a real evil nights you basically have to create the closest approximates that you can get away with in the modern day you'll never have a perfect analog but because of that I feel that the closest analogues to what nights were in the
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medieval period actually have far more justification to claim that glorious title of night than anyone else including those people who have an official knighting under a crown yet up to this point I've only been talking about the combative side of what Knights did to come close to even having a type of claim to be something close to what a medieval knight was you need to follow chivalry and this is a tricky one because I've already mentioned chivalry was subjective there were some
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interpretations of chivalry that was simply being a really really good fighter and in that sense if you're good at fighting in the medieval way you could be considered chivalrous in that sense but chivalry became a much more noble ideal even in the medieval period but it wasn't a universally noble ideal that's the key point in fact the ones that had a larger influence on what the individual Knight would think of as chivalry was their lords the Knightly order they served and their local
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society if a knight did something that he and his Lord both felt was perfectly fine but the society at large frowned upon deeply especially if a higher authority found on it say a church official who could make things difficult for the Lord or indeed a high Lord or King that could have negative repercussions and no matter how much the knight and his Lord proclaimed them to be chivalrous if a larger majority of people thought that they were not they really can't fight against that greatest
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subjective view of what chivalry is remember as well that societal standards changed between geographical locations and countries and so what one society felt was very chivalrous another society might very well not but the interesting thing about this is that in our current society there is a standard in what is perceived to be civil and that's very interesting and even if say it's very different to what medieval societies felt with chivalrous because
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chivalry is a subjective thing a modern standard of chivalry is actually as valid as the past and this is where I think chivalry can actually be reclaimed in a more nicely concept even in the modern day anyone can claim to be a knight but if they're not doing those things that mites did they're not gonna have too much credibility away you can more officially have some measure of a claim to the concept of knighthood is if you created a kind of new type of knighthood that you would have authority over for instance say you created an organization and I'll use an example
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shadow versity shadow versity is a brand that I have ownership over and if I wanted to give out the right for people to call themselves a knight of shadow versity I then have essentially created a new type of Knight oh it's not an evil Knight is not a Jedi Knight it's not a Battle of Nations node or an SCA Knight it's a diversity knight and whatever qualifications I stipulate that one needs to fulfill to be a shadow thirsty Knights essentially becomes the code of chivalry for this new order of
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knighthood because chivalry means doing those things that make you good at being a knight and this code of conduct that I set forward for someone to be a good shadow versity knight or Knight of shadow versity becomes chivalry as I've just mentioned but if I wanted to respect what the societal standard of chivalry is at the same time I would probably want to include those elements of chivalry as well and I actually think that modern standard of chivalry is a wonderful thing I think it's great for men to act gentlemanly and indeed
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chivalrous and so a code of conduct by any other organization can actually be quite accurately called a type or version of chivalry specifically the type of chivalry for that type or order of knights and that's actually a rather authentic usage of the concept of chivalry and in my opinion that works quite well for other things think about in this subject though these are my thoughts on it I hope you've enjoyed share your on your thoughts in the comments below I look forward to reading them and until next time
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