There Will Be Geek - Episode 8 - Magic: The Gathering

There Will Be Geek - Episode 8 - Magic: The Gathering

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[Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] hello there world wherever you are welcome once again so that there will be geek podcast pouring geek information into the blender giving it a good old Swizz chucking in a straw and feeding it straight through your brain intravenously my name is Mike and on my right we have Johnny and on my left we have and we are
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here to entertain to divert and generally otherwise make your lives that little bit brighter for today as always we're starting with a regular symbol of wind section so cab for this podcast what is your symbol of wind okay so for this time round straight from the you bloody well took your time didn't you files I recently started getting into World of Warcraft wow I see what you did
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there I did now you did know what you just done oh honey as Mike was just taking a sip of a nice hot cup of tea anyway to desk is now wearing yeah okay do continue cap um yeah I played other MMOs I'm I'm generally principally solo play it's it's mainly how I've always played games and I've always thought of grown into MMOs a bit cautiously I'd played a lot of ones that were meant to be good for solo play usually gotten
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bored after a few weeks and with the movie coming out recently I decided to give it a shot and found myself really enjoying it so I'm playing a dwarf warlock named McGowan and I'm really enjoying it I mean so far look it's early days I I may wind up getting bored but I'm finding in a much better experience because I think just the world they've created and the way they've designed the environments there's something Blizzard do in the Polish that just makes it much more
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engaging a lot of mm I always take place in very sort of generic environments unless you're really really into the systems the actual running around you gets very dull after a while not so here it feels like a real place you know it feels like the various areas are connected to each other and it's just fun to explore and finding a very pleasant surprise I can't speak to this from being a player myself but my better half Kari is an avid player of Wow
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to the extent whereby she's upgrading her own computer as we speak because recent patches have meant that their old Mac is just not able to be able to do what is required from the new patches on the game and I look at what she's the backgrounds when she's playing and it is endlessly well put together and it's really really really pretty system and clearly a lot of effort is put into this zone yeah that sounds like okay I did it has a complete story as well because I also have been playing well for a few
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years now but I need to ask you the most important question curve are you alliance horde alliance get out get out ya bastard I'm gonna roll a horde character though I'm gonna do both oh yeah that's just how I roll that's alright I understand I started off with Alliance 2 but that night quickly gave that up and when fall hard ok so Johnny the Horde
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what is your thimble of win for this week my thimble of win this week is snuff if you do not know what I have just said it is fnaf that stands for five nights at freddy's there is a bunch of these games out there this five nights at freddy's the five nights at freddy's 2 3 for this five nights at freddy's world is even an e-book five nights at freddy's the silver eyes which i've just finished reading and i loved
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it right now if you go to scottgames.com you will see a image it has been changing recently but this is leaking and teasing to the next game sister location what you can also do is if you view the source um was it called source source code yes source code for the size you can actually find out weird information as well which also relates back to like Scott has done this before
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which is gave it you know the by controversy dates but this one if you break it down you can actually make out a timetable and the timetable lists like Monday Tuesday Wednesday Friday all the different kinds of animatronics would you probably be in this game which weren't it also alludes to something called Afton robotics and the Crimson I think maybe crimson institute there is a lot of information just in there's one website even though it has just one
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image on it also the trailer for it as well where you see looks like it could be like a storage facility or robotics manufacturer or some think about what maybe this is where those animatronics come from all the story behind them there's the actual trailer we hear the words don't hold us against us and you don't know what we've been through it's just blowing my mind reading all the different kinds of theories that people
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are having out there about these games and what this new game is going to be about is it just a location Ed's and like business-wise you know how you've got coca-cola in Schweppes and all those things things is to come your knees or is it something family related so one of the victims sister is doing something and it's it's just blowing my mind like there were so many things out there at the moment on forums in YouTube people are doing all kinds of crazy fan art and
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I just I can't wait for this to come out so I can find out more story more background and I love things that I can investigate and this is why I'm an achievement whore on games like I have to find out all the backstory and I just can't wait and there isn't an official release date for sister location but what I can get on the web it is coming out this fall and obviously this is American so for us that'd be our spring so not too far away which is still a
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long time considering with Skott games like Freddie's came out in August 2014 the next one came out in November 14 the next one March 2015 next was 2015 one after that was knock world which will kind of skip over that was the beginning of this year so in the relative timeline of games this one has been quite a long wait and I'm done waiting okay let those sound intriguing mm-hmm please let us know more about it
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when it does a basically released for me the film of wind this week has been the recent announcement a couple weeks ago Black Mirror now for those of you who are not familiar with black Mara black Mara is a very dark twisted slightly sci-fi kind of skewed view of the world brought to us originally on channel 4 by Charlie Brooker Charlie Brooker is a columnist and reviewer who has been kind of regularly on British screens for a while he's a well-known satirist he's
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done he's done programs about how TV ruined your life he's presented news wipe and games wipe on BBC three and reviews of the year and so and so forth and he's really good kind of a very good servic satirical journalism this has always been his kind of dark sci-fi visions I mean the note what the notable standout from a recent series of black mare on channel 4 was a potential future situation where the British prime minister has his daughter kidnapped and part of the ransom is that he has to a pig live on TV this by the way
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was way before any of the Revelator recent revelations allegedly about former British Prime Minister David Cameron came to the surface so it was kind of weirdly prescient but there's some really dark stuff in there anyway Netflix have got hold of this now so Netflix and Charlie Brooker are producing a third series which is going to think I think that's gonna be like six or seven episodes previous series of runs in like three episodes because it's been something where channel four of put a lot of resources towards it to make it look and feel really good but as a result of which I suppose I kind of the
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four hour you have to be a little bit more budget shy whereas Netflix have been able to take it to the next level with regards to that and I'm really intrigued in that this could be very dark and very twisted but very very interesting too that's coming out on October 21st this year halloween okay moving on rapidly to the main subject for our discussion this time and for today we are delving deep into the world that is Magic the
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Gathering so guys what's all this about I'm taking the reins better really yes I am sir method The Gathering is one hobby that is probably the longest-running hobby that I've had in my life other than video games so I've been playing Magic the Gathering for over 10 years now okay so could you tell us a little bit about what is Magic the Gathering where does it come from what are its roots what's going on with it now what's
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been what's basically what's been the history and the future of this pastime for those who don't know magic the gathering is a card game play two or more players obviously you can't play by yourself well you can but we really want to hear about that right now so Richard the gathering started out in 1993 so this is when it was first published by Wizards of the coast which is a huge company these days there's
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over 20 million players of magic the gathering in the world right now so pretty much you probably know someone who does play or has played magic in their life as particularly in high school that's where I found a lot of people started playing it but it was great there's also an online version of the game too which came out in 2002 but it got updated in like 2008 the deal with Magic the Gathering is it's a card game you'd start off with a 60 card deck
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you can have bigger decks smaller decks whatever you like personally this girl loves a big deck but always in the Gaza Shawnee how is it that I can do unit deck gently I always make sure that that my deck has protection as well the Gerber's leaves every good laminated oh yeah alright take care of your deck out there so what are these is you have
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as a play you have 20 left the person that you're playing against has 20 life the aim of the game is to essentially kill them get them down to zero life and the way that you do this is by creatures and spells and contagions all different kinds of cards so there are five elements as well in this so there's black red green white and blue each color has its own kind of strength so with black card you're looking at things
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that have a lot of death touch and things that can kill instantly or do poisons and things like that red is you're pretty much a punch in the face you've got a lot of instinct cards that'll take down your life like here for five or it's bread damage it's a very quick moving color now move the girls to this I mean for the moment you've given you're giving me some very good examples of what goes on with regards to this game now when it comes down to things like this a concept of trading card games myself specifically
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myself and Kev haven't been brought up in the UK through the 80s yeah we would naturally I think the first place we would go to with this would be a game called Top Trumps now that had some similarities to the kind of baseball trading card games that were developed in the US throughout the first part of the 20th century it was a very simple card game but I think the the hook was a they they pup they they made decks based on different properties yeah so TV shows comic book characters that kind of thing cars military cars gear that range that
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kind of thing so there was millions and roses collectable kind of aspect to it and the whole principle would that was you it's a case of if you have more than one person they would be shuffled out the deck you read out a particular stat from your card and if it's the biggest set of all the three you win the cards and that will be this so is magic based on the same sort of kind of numbers is it just a case of my card is bigger and stronger than yours therefore my card will win is that how it works no not particularly because it also has a lot to do with luck you could some awesome killer creatures in your
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deck but you can only have seven cards in your hand at any time if you don't pull those up it's not gonna work like way that works is you know you pick up a card you can put down land which is like your mana you have to use those to actually start a car that's a mana what does that mean um matter is like you're counting so on say a creature card or any kind of usable card it'll have a casting cost on it so it'll have like a little circle with like a five on it that it means you stayed five mana of
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any color yeah that you tap or use or indicate that you're actually using and then it may have a little blue symbol next to it which means you need one blue mana at the same time so you'd have to use six cards to cast that one card then if it's a creature card down the bottom it would have its attack and defense so it may be 3/2 which means when it attacks its gonna hit the three but when
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you attack me and I say I block it it could only block two damage but it takes more than two damage it's going to die so it's very strategic in that sometimes you can attack with all the creatures that you have so our I'd be going yep I'm gonna hit you three six nine but then I would leave myself open and not have anything to defend against with you so you could have to at least leave one creature out if you want there's also
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things that can counteract the things that you do as well it isn't just who's got the bigger creatures or the most life I've seen games where the person's down to two life and they've got game mechanics that work well together that will obliterate the other person so I guess a lot of it sounds like it's about managing resources yes so nothing you know judging your attacks based on
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what you've got to defend it mm-hmm what resources go at any one time yes definitely correct and also presumably if you've got say four example a one-on-one you're gonna obviously having much more for it with straightforward battle let's say you've got a group of four people who were all fighting to be who's winning you might find that they might would be for example two players might realize that their common interest would be in beating up the bigger stronger person over there and taking their resources and therefore they might unofficially gang up on that other person that is definitely true I found some larger games like that but usually when we play you can only attack the person directly
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to your left or your right so I can't jump across the table ah this is good everyone plays in their own different kinds of ways there's also things called two-headed giant swear you will have two people against another two people and they will work together to take the other ones out but with that you know you can't share like miners or do certain things you can show each other cards but you know you're still like an independent player it is very interesting there are a lot of mechanics in the games that you can work together
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with like certain cards most recently I went to a pre-release for the eldritch moon where it has these cards where after you fulfill a certain condition like you've taken damage or you've done damage or you've done something else the cards will actually flip over and when you flip the card over you'll see that the two cards when you sit them side-by-side actually have the image of one larger card and it will have some
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awesome ability for it magic has a whole different ton of things that do these little things that will heat you for god knows how much or stop you from doing something that you desperately need yeah I was at launch that you were out recently I think we both attended this briefly I had to leave slightly earlier than Evil One things I'm really noted about this was how busy it was there I mean this was taking place at games laboratory down in Melbourne and there was a packed house of people for this launch so this is a really popular
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pastime I mean how does it relate to how does it relate to other systems and so forth is it do you tend to find that an awful lot of the same people who have played this will be say for example role players or gamers or what have you yeah a lot of people that I've spoken to you at these pre-releases they're into other card games such as Pokemon or yugioh which I I haven't actually played these I've seen some people play them but like I already have one card addiction I don't need anymore as much as I love Pokemon I believe I believe there was
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also I mean for a while there was for exactly an vampire the eternal struggle they've been two or three other attempts at this and there are some that have lasted a bit but more so than others oh definitely um once magic became quite popular other publishers tried to start doing like you know getting in on it like companion games brought out galactic empires which actually was like the first science fiction trading card game and the cool thing about them was that they allowed players to pay and
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design their own sort of promo cards at the same time which was kind of cool TSR created like this Baelfire game and as you just mentioned before jihad which is now known as vampire the eternal struggle was another Wizards game which was out there and it was about modern-day vampires was it any relation to the white wolf system of vampire the masquerade the white wolf well the darkness I think it was I am I can imagine that it sounds like if nothing else the : makes me think it's going to
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be somehow related no words yes it was real research I was doing it they didn't mention it was a vampire card game the white wolf one yeah exactly I think this might be the one yeah Magic the Gathering did take a lot from those kinds of like D&D and role-playing games and as such as like the creatures in the story lines that you can get from them but thing with magic is like these pre-release is the one that we've been talking about that I recently went to
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and Mike was like there's so many people there this was actually one of the smaller ones that I've been - I've been to ones where are usually pre-register for these so you know I know that I can play on the day and I've been to ones where I've seen the line out the door and they're turning people away because they just don't have the seats for it now these pre-release has happened four times a year many different expansions which will bring out new mechanics new cards it'll
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usually have a theme as well which is really cool and also corsets as well which I don't think they're doing anymore so back in the day with the expansions there never was a kind of organization to it they didn't have a schedule for the expansions or the corset they just kind of brought them out Hazzard Lee the very first expansion came out in 1993 in December and that was a Radian night which was cool since going in from there they were all very irregular and it wasn't till the
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Mirage expansion set in 1996 is when they started getting regular with it and having three expansions in one corset so the corset is pretty much just a revision of the base game cards that are out there pretty sure they stopped doing the corsets in 2015 so only just last year corsets are alright like they they weren't as great as the expansions but they were good to get fillers for you know just basic cars that you can make decks with I like to make a lot of theme
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decks as well so there's a deck where I just have creatures that are angels so that's a lot of white and white is more your healing kind of stuff so you get life gain and flying creatures are great because you can only stop a flying creature if you have a flying creature or one that has reach and not every deck is going to do that yeah and the thing is flying cards can block normal creature cards as well so it's fantastic so you could just be hitting someone for
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like every round nothing to do about it yeah until they get rid of that creature it's kind of cool other things with the rules of magic it pretty much stays the same like yep it hasn't been they don't changed a lot there's been three major changes to the rules of magic which happened in like 94 99 and 2009 and this is a game that's been going on for like how long now it's if it was 93 99 so that's 23 years this has been good and then we three major
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and this is the thing I mean just somebody who has always been in and around kind of the geeky verse as it is to an extent magic has never really been my particular flavor but at the same time I've known a lot of people who are really really heavily into particularly friends who are LARPers and role players and it's interesting to look at magic as a property and as an object because it kind of reinvented their kind of the trading card things from the middle of the twentieth century anyway but also it's something whereby as a result there have been other things that it has gone
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on to inspire further down the line we were talking about some of these examples earlier on weren't we can probably the ones that you can't manage to come up with um well there's been a bit of a resurgence in card games and video games for example things like half Stone become very popular mm-hmm things like Gwent in which is 3 which is spinning off into its own game could you explain to me what hearthstone is for a moment there's made by Blizzard the same people who will have war-cry ok so it's it's very much similar format I guess to magic yeah you're sort of doing battle
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with other players using these decks of cards I presume you're able to do this online as well kind of means that you don't listen sir it's perfectly possible to have matches against people with magic when you're skyping but it kind of really need them to be there so this allows you to gives you an environment where you can do that yeah and I mean it's very much so it does seem to be inspired by the success of things like magic also you can look at for example these success in recent years of games such as cards against humanity' now that has been something that has really kind
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of taken the world by storm down to an extent a lesser extent Lee kind of the oatmeal's exploded kit but this is the thing I mean none of these things would be out there were it not for the Wonder that is magic I mean again it's never been my particular flavor but it has been something that's been a big part of so many people's growing up I know people who have an entire massive kind of flick albums of the damn thing Jesus skip the foot problems I've got boxes of thousands of base cards like you get very addicted to collecting them like sometimes like people call it like I'm a
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card collecting game and I don't see it is that like I don't purposely go out and buy certain cards because my they're gonna go in this set it's just a game that I play and like you know I pick up the good cards when I want because there are different kinds of cards like you've got you you know you come in to raise your ultra rares your legendary cards like some of these cards now will go for thousands of dollars yeah like I've gone to tournaments which let me quickly explain what a tournament is because I keep talking about
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pre-release tournaments what it is is you turn up on the day to play an expansion pack before it actually comes out you pay you know $40.00 whatever you get six boosters which has 15 cards in each so this would be almost like in many ways like a mid like release of a movie or something yeah it's a special promotional event yes definitely most places like games like that greets you they have like a midnight run at 10:00 a.m. running like an afternoon run and it'll go all weekend it's crazy so you get there you get six boosters
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and and those six boosters you get to make a 40 card minimum deck you get given 48 minutes to make it so generally you'd make a deck of like 23 creature playing cards you know spells whatever and 17 lands make your board card deck but I get a little bit overactive and sometimes make larger ones which isn't that great well you could show you like a big deck yes and then during the day you play four rounds so you play first game against someone it's best two out of three if
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you win you get two more boosters which you can't add into the already made deck what's the booster a booster is a packet of cards it's like your normal packet of cards that you get from normal baseball cards and stuff it had 15 cards in it okay so it would be like a small foil pack yeah definitely and in that you'd get like a variety of red cards black cards green card blue cards you know odd of yet cos whatever we just kind of cool this what like about the pre-release is that everyone's on the same level like
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no one has a pre-made card like you can read up on what's going to be in the pre-release but you have no idea sometimes you get awesome cards and you want before with everyone but then sometimes use don't get anything that works well together and and so it's more of a level aware it entirely really depends on the skill and ability of the person to be able to play the game with the resources they have yeah partly yes but sometimes you do just get absolutely cops do not work together you know that but that's
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gonna happen in pretty much anything it's very luck base well I can't necessarily speak to anything to do with this but I particularly remember panini sticker album two football players in the eighties I think matter at times I would get they fit the same did the same kind of I will end up with five pictures of Wayne Faraday for no bloody good reason he's terrible why yeah yeah and also with the decks as well because you need the mana so you can actually cast all your spell's and creatures sometimes you'll get mana screwed and what
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happened series you have like the correct amount of mana ringing Jack it's all balanced out fantastically you've shuffled it properly it's they've cut it it's brilliant but you just don't get any well you start off with seven cards usually one about three of them with Meyer in it so you can play some first cards but then you won't get any more mana so you look from the platform the basic the main pile of cards that you ignored from every time yeah you'll be like come on wait where's my money okay all the other little be something you'll be kind of building all of these things
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but running out of gas and you can only ever hold seven cards in hand so you have to start Chuck and smoosh it out and you'll know that the moment you start chucking the good stuff away that'll be when all the minerals and yeah you just gets so frustrating because the person will they'll be fine and then they'll start hitting you and killing you and it's not a good game it's not it's more fun when you can actually have a good battle against someone and get down to the wire and you know you know all these mechanics going off and it makes it so much more interesting this is why as well as these
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previous two minutes fun to watch this actually in 1986 they started the Pro Tour for magic they got very cool and like oh cool they're just playing a little game it's like well that first car game the winner walked away with $40,000 Wow okay now that's quite impressive yeah you get some great stories from magic there was I think it was at one of these prelates tournament I'm not but one of the pre tours it came down to the last game and this gentleman had a
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neat and a card that says sometimes you get weeded rules where you have to drop the card and any other card that it touches it will destroy mmm it's a weird card like you physically drop the card and if we have a card it takes its riddle and so this John winning called the judge over and did a little check with it and the guy was like ok what this gentleman did was he started tearing up he's Cod and ripped it into tiny little pieces of confetti
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and just dropped it on the table wipe the board clean oh wow you guys think that's thinking outside of the bones that's that is incredibly clever yeah oh I love that that's really good so you get some really funny moments in magic sometimes cuz the cards will have instructions on them how to use them and sometimes you can just bend the rules a little bit more and get you away okay well trying to draw this to a bit of a
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close for the podcast now where are we going with the first of the future of magic are there any good releases coming up later on this year do we know us well there will be um there's already been two releases so we've got two more for the NZ yeah I'm not sure what they are usually find out a little bit closer to them what they are what's gonna be in them which is cool but I think about two years ago they were in talks about meeting and Magic the Gathering movie oh it has broke and given that everything else seems to have it's kind of universe movie I mean we've got the GI Joe movie
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there was a battleships movie so I it's done well I can see that being a good idea but I remain intensely dubious oh yes well I haven't heard anything else about it since then so I don't know if he's very cool I just do want to say one thing very because I was interested in magic for very long time and when I was in high school the guys wouldn't teach it to me because they didn't think I'd understand don't like it that much they don't play anymore and I still AM which is cool but my Korean Allister actually got me into my
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Jake and he actually has his iron online store which I'll give a little plug now because Alistair is a player so he had a very large collection of cards very large I think Lodge is an understatement he up but he wasn't using part of these and he wanted to you know offer other players an easy way to get a hold or cards and finding cards so he set up his own online shop called Alice does magic Emporium we'll leave a link down in our little descriptions for it and so he just sells
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individual cards going from res Commons and they're also really affordable to like compare to other places that you'll find on like eBay or whatever very decently priced any since them out really quickly to cool which is kind of cool and he will even help you find God's too so if you're after a particular card and he doesn't have it you'll be able to help you out with it because you can't obviously have everything there's thousands of cards but if you're in Australia I'm not sure he actually ships overseas or not you
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can check it out on the website but Ellis does magic Emporium check it out okay so let's say you're almost completely ignorant of this thing you have absolutely no knowledge in other words you mean yeah how would you what what advice would you give someone who wants to get into magic cuz I'll be there's a lot of stuff out there you can go on the internet you can find just days worth of stuff oh yeah that's probably a huge jumble information what would you recommend the best way to actually start as a beginner magic
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player that's a beginner I'd say check out the Wizards of the coast website because they actually do have a few pages there they explain the mechanics of the game how to play all of that kind of stuff but we can post a link today I guess it isn't personal it's down on bottom another good thing is I would check out with your local card shops because a lot of those places like games love one they'll have a you know a Friday nights play where people will come in and play with their own decks or they'll have
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special nights where beginners can come in and you know learn they learn how to play the game because it is very overwhelming at first when there's all different kinds of things that you can do and build and whatever I'd say yeah check out the Wizards website see if it is something that you really want to do also there are some great tutorials and videos on people playing Magic the Gathering on YouTube as well so you could actually see a game mind you some games I'm very
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fast and will only go for 5-10 minutes you've got other games that will be ginormous and will run for like an hour or it just really depends but yeah check out the wizard website and speak to your local game shops as well because more than likely those people they want to help you out they want to get more people into playing these kinds of games as I said we will be posting links on the notes for this both to barristers get magic Emporium - Wizards of the coast and we will probably be posting up a link to a few of the websites for
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various different game shops giving around our own area of Melbourne if there are any further ones that you guys think are interesting and unusual please feel free to link up to them on the Facebook group for them there will be geek podcast we're always happy about you being able to scoop somewhere local for your local geeks to be able to enjoy themselves okay I think that pretty much wraps us up for this podcast okay where can we find you you can find many pages of Metro magazine Shuggie where can we find you as always you can find me on youtube playing all
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the games or you can see my daily tweets to nintendo bitching out help i still can't play pokemon go on my windows firing and for me as with all of us you could find us in two there will be deep podcast group on facebook there's only one thing to add at this point we're finished you

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